Message from @whiic

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2019-02-11 22:36:31 UTC  

Exhaustive list.

2019-02-11 22:36:32 UTC  

An illiterate person is a social outcast, in today's world

2019-02-11 22:36:46 UTC  

I think that's the biggest load of shit I've ever heard, to argue copyright monopoly as a natural right.

2019-02-11 22:36:58 UTC  

Intellectual "property" rights are postive rights.

2019-02-11 22:36:59 UTC  

Because it's "property". Property of an idea. Or word.

2019-02-11 22:37:14 UTC  

I've quite literally never talked to someone who called copyright a natural right

2019-02-11 22:37:18 UTC  

Most ancaps reject IP rights.

2019-02-11 22:37:24 UTC  

The idea is that you have all rights. The only non-rights are anything which infringes the rights of another.

2019-02-11 22:37:29 UTC  

@halfthink But isn't all property kind about positive rights?

2019-02-11 22:37:53 UTC  

Property rights are pretty much "Don't fuck with my shit"

2019-02-11 22:38:00 UTC  

@whiic no, socialised institutions to protect them are though.

2019-02-11 22:38:19 UTC  

How it becomes "my shit" and how one defines "fuck with" are various things

2019-02-11 22:38:35 UTC  

Especially when it comes to common property

2019-02-11 22:38:40 UTC  

Capital is generally required to have copyright. Since you invested something into the idea.

2019-02-11 22:38:46 UTC  

For example, is any land you circle with a fence "your land"?

2019-02-11 22:38:57 UTC  

Under some definitions, yes

2019-02-11 22:39:22 UTC  

If you can defend it, sure. You put money into circling it. Capital.

2019-02-11 22:39:26 UTC  

Capitalism.

2019-02-11 22:39:37 UTC  

"worked" land is activating a part of my memory

2019-02-11 22:40:27 UTC  

@whiic Are you familiar with squatter's rights?

2019-02-11 22:40:32 UTC  

Well, some would fence of more land they can work with, just because it's expected that free land will run out, and being too greedy allows them to sell it with nice profit later, when there's no land to grab onto.

2019-02-11 22:40:42 UTC  

Most libertarians accept the homesteading principle as how unowned property is originally appropriated.

2019-02-11 22:41:24 UTC  

Basically, Molyneux land ownership logic stopped working a few hundred years ago in USA, and was already outdated much earlier in Europe.

2019-02-11 22:41:57 UTC  

Here's a non religious argument for natural rights
https://youtu.be/tx7XUuPrbZo

2019-02-11 22:42:10 UTC  

Make sure to ping him

2019-02-11 22:43:53 UTC  

Ping me when you are active again @whiic , I want to speak about the most annoying ideology of the 19th century with you

2019-02-11 22:44:05 UTC  

Which would be?

2019-02-11 22:44:21 UTC  

Geogism

2019-02-11 22:44:29 UTC  

Wow look at how wrong everybody is

2019-02-11 22:44:35 UTC  

What's wrong with Georgism?

2019-02-11 22:44:58 UTC  

Land use tax is probably more just way to tax than income or trade tax is.

2019-02-11 22:45:15 UTC  

Nothing particularly, it is actually quite compatible with much of liberarianism

2019-02-11 22:45:30 UTC  

They just annoyed a lot of people in the 19th century

2019-02-11 22:45:37 UTC  

Like commies did in the 20th

2019-02-11 22:45:38 UTC  

The police protect the right and not the people. That’s rich

2019-02-11 22:46:07 UTC  

I quite like LVT

2019-02-11 22:46:14 UTC  

@H3llbender And if there's nothing wrong with Georgism or Geo-Libertarianism, what is that makes it annyoing?

2019-02-11 22:46:43 UTC  

I know it annoys hardline capitalists because they like to think land as property the same way niggers were property once.

2019-02-11 22:46:45 UTC  

Georgists do. They had a commune just north of me during the early 20th century

2019-02-11 22:47:46 UTC  

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