Message from @Aero

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2019-02-14 17:58:41 UTC  

Of course

2019-02-14 17:58:43 UTC  

Well I can show you using modern economic theory why capitalism always results in plutocracy

2019-02-14 17:58:54 UTC  

regardless whether you start with no state or with

2019-02-14 17:59:28 UTC  

What "modern economic theory" are you referring to?

2019-02-14 17:59:41 UTC  

please no MMT

2019-02-14 17:59:52 UTC  

i cringe

2019-02-14 18:00:11 UTC  

pareto principle applies to all systems of trade without necessary constraints, so basically within any system of trade within a pareto optimization game there will be consistent winners who hoard capital, and through this capital can actually determine supply and demand in an oligopolistic or monopolistic sense

2019-02-14 18:00:28 UTC  

in so doing, the "freedom" of the market is ultimately undermined by its lack of constraints within the get go

2019-02-14 18:00:49 UTC  

pareto principle = 80/20 distribution of any thing trade in "free" system of competition

2019-02-14 18:01:04 UTC  

the idea behind it though, is that those with money are the ones that would have the most to lose if anything went wrong, no?

2019-02-14 18:01:18 UTC  

(thinking from the human wealth angle)

2019-02-14 18:01:21 UTC  

convergence to this proportion ensures plutocracy in long run, as winners bribe or create govts to then enforce their oligopolistic (close to monopoly) control

2019-02-14 18:01:33 UTC  

no, because risk diminishes with higher capital

2019-02-14 18:01:50 UTC  

whereas risk is highest with startups, who then just get bought out by consistent winners

2019-02-14 18:02:17 UTC  

risk never fully goes away even if you diversify properly, but just because you have a lot, doesn't mean you're safe (look at venezuela, lol)

2019-02-14 18:02:32 UTC  

The solution to the pareto principle destroying social cohesion via plutocracy is creating strict constraints and limits on wealth and trade initially, regulated by a powerful authoritarian state with a volkish principle at its leading goal.

2019-02-14 18:02:56 UTC  

venezuela is literally in shambles due to plutocrats using the cia like a mercenary group by couping them from within and causing chaos

2019-02-14 18:03:16 UTC  

It wasn't a random market thing

2019-02-14 18:03:32 UTC  

alright, so cia conspiracy theory is where you fall... sorry, agree to disagree with that one.

2019-02-14 18:03:39 UTC  

>conspiracy theories

2019-02-14 18:03:50 UTC  

back to the issue at hand

2019-02-14 18:03:52 UTC  

read the books of prominent ex council on foreign relations people, they openly talk about this shit, they don't deny it

2019-02-14 18:04:38 UTC  

preventing a plutocracy without hard redistribution and essentially punishing high earners is what i'm interested in

2019-02-14 18:04:43 UTC  

Jack Attalie (prob spelled it wrong) but he works with royal society and cfr in the US, and has intelligence ties. He wrote a book highlighting the power block of many nations competing in game theoretic scenario and fighting via proxy warfare in the 70's

2019-02-14 18:04:55 UTC  

and lo and behold we see middle east proxy dictator conflicts just a few years later

2019-02-14 18:05:07 UTC  

@Aero fair enough

2019-02-14 18:05:21 UTC  

well wealth constraints are a thing, also we can employ the Federist economic model to lower money demand

2019-02-14 18:05:38 UTC  

I believe money demand can be minimized to make the power of wealth nearly nothing, while keeping production and living standards high

2019-02-14 18:06:32 UTC  

form a currency based on aggregate marginal output of production function, implement systems of eugenics to draw people out of manufacturing sector into higher IQ jobs in homogeneous nation, and afterwards implement high production to create massive deflation while keeping consumption high via propaganda

2019-02-14 18:06:52 UTC  

in NS Germany for example in a massive deflationary period consumption still rose 6.9% from 33-42

2019-02-14 18:07:04 UTC  

so it's possible to counteract saving demand theory with propaganda and has been proven

2019-02-14 18:07:41 UTC  

All the while holding to an authoritarian dictatorship power structure in order to avoid coups of the market by plutocrats from abroad.

2019-02-14 18:08:56 UTC  

Why would this authoritarian government be any more trustworthy than any other?

2019-02-14 18:09:07 UTC  

(for brainlets deflation causes prices of goods to be lower, which increases living standard for consumer but decreases consumption of goods for firms in typical fiat economies)

2019-02-14 18:09:53 UTC  
2019-02-14 18:09:56 UTC  

Well it depends on the type of authoritarian govt. I believe if the initial binding laws (similar to 25 tenets of ndsap) hold to the volkish principle of equating state with race and vice versa, you effectively "deal in" the citizenry to be a part of the greater governmental body.

2019-02-14 18:10:07 UTC  

Thus you break the dialectical tension between state - citizen

2019-02-14 18:10:32 UTC  

Isn’t that begging the question of why we would need a government.
They’re all over the place.

2019-02-14 18:10:40 UTC  

yes, fiat economy fags will call deflation a bad thing especially if done quickly, this is because their worthless system is based on interest rate expectations from central banks

2019-02-14 18:11:15 UTC  

@Rusty we need a govt because without it plutocrats grab power via market forces without regulation

2019-02-14 18:11:28 UTC  

in order to have strong laws you need the sword if you will to cut heads when people defy the order