Message from @Aero

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2019-02-14 18:49:14 UTC  

we don't need 100% purity

2019-02-14 18:49:20 UTC  

Enviroments change as well. Mutations will happen

2019-02-14 18:49:35 UTC  

And much like the japanese leaving the chinese youll have a similiar scenario

2019-02-14 18:49:47 UTC  

How do you deal with the economic calculation problem?

2019-02-14 18:49:49 UTC  

mutations wont be bred in in modern environments though, because we consciously also effect our own evolution via technology and society

2019-02-14 18:50:02 UTC  

i'm assuming when you say 'race', you are referring to what you previously mentioned as the members of 'country'.

Let's be clear. Rick people should not have NO power. In government, they should have just as much power as everyone else when it comes to enacting social policies. Rich people, at the same time, should not have to sacrifice their wealth simply because they make way more money than the average person.

Reducing money demand to a degree may be beneficial... maybe... but don't forget that the demand for people to become successful pushes the society as a whole up economically. Progress requires a bit of greed.

2019-02-14 18:50:05 UTC  

Is why mental illness is rampant?

2019-02-14 18:50:23 UTC  

I dont wanna dog pile. Ill step out and watch

2019-02-14 18:50:31 UTC  

@Aero which is why the economic constraints should be at the very upper echelons of top wealth

2019-02-14 18:50:46 UTC  

for example 1 billion, nobody needs more than that for luxuries, after that it just purchases power

2019-02-14 18:51:03 UTC  

99.99% wont get there anyways, so it wont have any effect on profit motive

2019-02-14 18:52:09 UTC  

How do you prevent the state and the church from becoming corrupt and colluding with the rich?

2019-02-14 18:54:00 UTC  

by lowering money demand to be almost nothing

2019-02-14 18:54:09 UTC  

In order to tax the super rich, who have already proven they know how to manage money at least relatively well, a ridiculously high tax, we'd need a way to ensure that the government would use this money in a better way than said rich person.

2019-02-14 18:54:25 UTC  

@Aero no taxation, we would simply impose wealth constraint

2019-02-14 18:54:45 UTC  

anything gained after a certain point is subject to nationalization, and the number is calculated relative to the economic conditions to scale

2019-02-14 18:54:48 UTC  

What do you mean by "lowering money demand"

2019-02-14 18:55:17 UTC  

While i may be inclined to agree with slightly lowering the demand for money, it still leaves the economic growth of the hypothetical country astray.

2019-02-14 18:55:36 UTC  

when you create deflation in an economy with a production based currency, the more you produce the more the living standards rise, because currency is valued at the rate at which we produce things in aggregate, therefore production will then lower money demand and create deflation (increase in purchasing power of money)

2019-02-14 18:56:06 UTC  

so the prices of goods become cheaper, and the barriers to luxury items and in general good living will be lower

2019-02-14 18:56:16 UTC  

@halfthink these are all hypotheticals. i think of it as basically just making people need money less to survive.

2019-02-14 18:56:20 UTC  

@Aero why do you say so?

2019-02-14 18:56:24 UTC  

So, do you mean reduce the quantity of money?

2019-02-14 18:56:53 UTC  

Also the biggest problem is that when you go the deflation route, your competing againts the whole world

2019-02-14 18:56:53 UTC  

no, deflation in such a society would be caused by increasing production rate, because the value of the money would be based on the aggregate marginal production function

2019-02-14 18:57:08 UTC  

As it makes international trade hard

2019-02-14 18:57:15 UTC  

or the first derivative of the aggregate production function, thereby currency acts as a kind of fractional derivative relative to production

2019-02-14 18:57:33 UTC  

and we distribute means of production without actually imposing on private property, which is what "National Socialism" was about

2019-02-14 18:57:43 UTC  

deflation is another conversation entirely. we'll need to talk about it when the global birth to death rates start inversing.

2019-02-14 18:57:56 UTC  

that can be done with propaganda

2019-02-14 18:58:08 UTC  

i don't really agree with the propaganda route

2019-02-14 18:58:18 UTC  

So, if you want a stable quantity of money and no tax, then why have the state involved with money at all? Why not have free banking?

2019-02-14 18:58:19 UTC  

less propaganda = better the way i see it.

2019-02-14 18:58:19 UTC  

it can be positive if it's based on truth

2019-02-14 18:58:35 UTC  

You need alot of what ifs aen

2019-02-14 18:58:44 UTC  

@halfthink free banking leads to pareto principle, without constraints monopolies form and therefore plutocracy

2019-02-14 18:58:53 UTC  

Thats another problem i have with nat socs

2019-02-14 18:58:58 UTC  

no, this has already somewhat been done even in the Schact economic system

2019-02-14 18:59:36 UTC  

You have a communist understanding of economics dude.

2019-02-14 18:59:45 UTC  

Germany had higher relative wages to the plutocracies of UK, France, USA, had higher production rate, had no interest loans, had higher living standard, and proportionally their GDP was highest in the world until the war started

2019-02-14 19:00:09 UTC  

I have a bachelors in economics lol. I already explained in detail why capitalism is a failure, but I don't like communism either.