Message from @Vril-Gesellschaft

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2019-02-14 19:49:46 UTC  

how is it subjective

2019-02-14 19:50:05 UTC  

More arbitrary than subjective.

2019-02-14 19:50:07 UTC  

production is a physical thing, and we're not basing it purely on *aggregate* production, but the *rate* at which we produce on aggregate as a society

2019-02-14 19:50:21 UTC  

it's an application of modern fischer rate theory to currency with a production spin on it

2019-02-14 19:50:26 UTC  

Production is not a thing till its made

2019-02-14 19:50:30 UTC  

lemmi think. might have jumped the gun

2019-02-14 19:51:02 UTC  

Your making currency on the assumption you can produce something

2019-02-14 19:51:03 UTC  

no in economics, production function is a mathematical representation of the physical process of input to output in producing goods

2019-02-14 19:51:14 UTC  

well every country produces

2019-02-14 19:51:17 UTC  

Thats why everything is fiat

2019-02-14 19:51:28 UTC  

Because of what you said

2019-02-14 19:51:38 UTC  

it's not fiat dude, it's based on a physical system

2019-02-14 19:51:54 UTC  

fiat money is based on arbitrary value judgments created by expectations in interest rate changes

2019-02-14 19:51:55 UTC  

Everything is fiat so there are no restraints on inflation for governments.

2019-02-14 19:52:24 UTC  

formally, fiat money's value is modelled as: risk free rate (treasury bills)+expected rate of return on interest for base rate

2019-02-14 19:52:38 UTC  

Currency from a country is only good if it can produce

2019-02-14 19:52:40 UTC  

brb cooking something

2019-02-14 19:52:54 UTC  

Its based on an assumption

2019-02-14 19:53:29 UTC  

Wait, are you backing your currency with a consumer goods basket?

2019-02-14 19:54:32 UTC  

no, it's backed by the actual marginal aggregate production function

2019-02-14 19:54:49 UTC  

formally, the first derivative of the aggregate production of the country as a function

2019-02-14 19:55:06 UTC  

so the currency changes relative to the rate of production

2019-02-14 19:55:30 UTC  

rate of production is a physical system, it's real not imagined speculation

2019-02-14 19:55:45 UTC  

So paper backed by nothing, but with a constant quantity?

2019-02-14 19:56:14 UTC  

That's still fiat, bruh.

2019-02-14 19:56:56 UTC  

it's backed by the physical rate of production dude

2019-02-14 19:57:10 UTC  

the rate of production isn't speculated on in terms of value

2019-02-14 19:57:29 UTC  

You could say the same about USD.

2019-02-14 19:57:41 UTC  

Or any other fiat currency. It's still fiat.

2019-02-14 19:58:00 UTC  

no..... because I just explained that fiat currency is modeled via fischeran formula

2019-02-14 19:58:18 UTC  

which I literally gave you, I think your problem is you're tackling nuanced economic concepts which you don't quite understand as a layman, no offense

2019-02-14 19:58:38 UTC  

Also another country can btfo your production and beat you. You need to operate in a global market and compete and deal with fluctuating values. There are no constants

2019-02-14 19:59:00 UTC  

Its the incentive to random science

2019-02-14 19:59:11 UTC  

no, because just because we have this system doesn't mean others would employ it, the plutocracies would commit suicide if they adopted this system because it would undermine their money demand power

2019-02-14 19:59:34 UTC  

it's game theoretically optimal too, since your enemies literally can't use it lest they basically become us over time

2019-02-14 19:59:42 UTC  

Venezuela

2019-02-14 19:59:51 UTC  

venezuela had issues because of cia interference

2019-02-14 19:59:53 UTC  

And many many others

2019-02-14 20:00:07 UTC  

@Vril-Gesellschaft so if I redeem one of your "dollars" what do I get?

2019-02-14 20:00:32 UTC  

Gold?

2019-02-14 20:00:41 UTC  

Even gold was traded it was still an issue