We is also good, but is the proto-1984 basically

Written by an actual Soviet citizen tho. Probably the most disturbing of the 3

I wanted to re-read lotr for one, as well as start on the Silmarillion so thats a reason

But what religious messaging did you get from BNW?

@cananda Yeah one of the foundations of the book is that people have abandon religion.

that and i got into comics and stuff too so distracted lol

Orgie Borgie!

That's par for the course with authoritarian regimes though

then how is it too religious?

Worship of the state becomes normative

Or that's the goal at least

becomes normie

lel

No, they warship nothing.

There is no higher meaning to life at all in A brave new world.

I thought brave new world was more against Nihilism

Well that's because Brave New World is the "carrot"

Yes it is.@Deleted User

Everyone is kept in a constant hedonistic cycle by the state

1984 is the "stick"

reminder during the French Revolution, revolutionaries actively destroyed religious structures and replaced them with secular ones

take the Paris Pantheon for example

I see religion as necessary evil

all the statues were changed

it can be used for horrible purposes

but several more use it to find a purpose

in life

I don't agree, I don't think we need religion for meaning, or morality.

and have hope

BNW also has strict castes, Christianity would run in opposition to that

I would agree that we don't need religion for those things, but I think we've done a poor job of replacing it

Like....I don't want people to be religious

but there's no easier alternative

I don't hugely care if people are religious

I feel like there is, spatiality (for lack of a better word) doesn't need any of the trappings of religion.

That's one of my major problems with Jordan peterson.

Jordan Peterson accepts the existence of nonreligious cohesion

what is spatiality

Otherwise he'd hate Nietzsche

And it's pretty clear his second biggest boner topic after Jung is Nietzsche

I don't know about jbp man