He's so damn hyperbolic

That's a straw man.

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universal healthcare bad, public option good

i guess this is why im a social liberal and not a social democrat

universal healthcare in the sense that we have no private insurance I mean

I think we should have a public option because competition is good and it can be publicly controlled

it will be susceptible to corruption but what isnt

straigt up nationla healthcare is just another service and will be only somewhat different than private

and without competition will likely become bloated and wasteful

your not really going to get any reasonible discussion out of tj. he literally does this all the time. my first criticism of his stance would start with why conservitives arnt immediately interested in shifting the system which trillions of dollors of the federal budget is already tied up into, into a new system would probably be that they are afraid any change that is not incramental could have devistating consaquences that worsen the situation for everyone

people who do not know how the healthcare system works, and where the inflated cost is coming from, should probably not be the ones designing a system to decrease these inflated costs.

also, why do be people see health insurance as a must?

progressive solutions tend to be rash and when they dont go exactly according to plan they overreact and make the situation even worse by compensating to far for a hole in the boat by taking chunks off the side of the boat to plug it

one upon a time, you'd just pay the doctor when you visited them, or the hospital when you visited them. not a monthly fee AND every time you visit

I'm interested to see how much people spend on insurance on average, vs how much it would have cost them to just pay the doctors and hospitals. And see what the difference is. And see if it would have been better for them to take out medical loans, vs paying this stupid monthly fee.

health insurence is very useful to the lower classes because they cannot compete with those who can take the random chance of life throwing a 10000$+ medical bill at them

Well I can state how it works here, since it isn't that bad here

There's a public healthcare system

But there's also private hospitals

like, i'm wondering if paying off a loan+interest over time would still be cheaper than paying a monthly fee

If you want cheap healthcare and are poor, go public

If you have the money, go private

where is "here", exactly?

it might be but the idea is to pay more over 40 years of your working life rather than pay less over 5-10 years

India

You have health insurance options, but it isn't necessary

And for people who are BPL, the costs are lower in public hospitals

BPL means Below Poverty Line.

i think the middle class tends to have the most problems with 2 system healthcare due to the public healthcare being able to become more relaxed in what it provides due to the people who pay into it also being very financaly strained while the private systems dont really need to be as competitive because the group they compete over eachother with have far more than what they would if everyone in the country only had private options

This is a confused chaotic quasi socialist country, I don't know what this system is called

i would agree, Arch.

the middle class always gets screwed

though maybe the middle class can do that loan thing grenade suggested

to quote George Carlin: "The upper class doesn't none of the work, takes all the of money. The middle class does all the work, pays all the taxes, and the lower class.... is just there to scare the shit out of the middle class"

yeah thats not true but i do agree in this case the middle class is not appreciated well

what we really need is a government that decides what we can do and when, what we can say and why. We need a powerful central authority to control the economy and security and we should strive to spread out way of life all over the world. Slowly but surely we will create a powerful union of nations under the leadership of military rule. Communism of course, or wait was that called fascism I get confused sometimes because they function so similarly

its not entirely true, no. but its also a joke

Lol that's very accurate