Message from @pratel

Discord ID: 470342668661161984


2018-07-21 21:27:26 UTC  

At least in theory. I might be missing something.

2018-07-21 21:29:20 UTC  

identify with your opponents makes you impure

2018-07-21 21:29:24 UTC  

and will guarantee fail you the purity test

2018-07-21 21:29:33 UTC  

Right.

2018-07-21 21:29:39 UTC  

and they fear it

2018-07-21 21:29:44 UTC  

cuz that test has no re-trys

2018-07-21 21:29:50 UTC  

But here's the idea. Suppose you find a person and want to know where they stand.

2018-07-21 21:29:55 UTC  

if you are deemed impure, you're out

and doubt is all you need to become impure

2018-07-21 21:30:07 UTC  

You start with something small and subtle and work on down and see where you get pushback.

2018-07-21 21:30:50 UTC  

And then eventually you ask if the person you're talking to can summarize without prejudice the opinions of X. Where X is some fairly mainstream right-of-center character.

2018-07-21 21:31:00 UTC  

If they start characterizing them as moral evil...

2018-07-21 21:31:19 UTC  

Wouldn't it undermine both sides if they're all using the same tactics though

2018-07-21 21:31:24 UTC  

You know they aren't completely in the mob, but they aren't an ally

2018-07-21 21:31:33 UTC  

Yes.

2018-07-21 21:31:39 UTC  

And No.

2018-07-21 21:31:56 UTC  

The two sides need not operate in the same way.

2018-07-21 21:32:05 UTC  

Exploiting asymmetries is how you win.

2018-07-21 21:32:28 UTC  

Taking shots at each other always hurts both sides. But the damage need not be equal.

2018-07-21 21:33:15 UTC  

I guess fighting fire with fire stops both sides, huh

2018-07-21 21:33:39 UTC  

It might atleast lead to an armistance.

2018-07-21 21:33:50 UTC  

Or it could do what it did to the Religious Right.

2018-07-21 21:34:02 UTC  

...you don't hear much from the religious right anymore.

2018-07-21 21:34:16 UTC  

But they were a major force in the 80s and 90s

2018-07-21 21:34:19 UTC  

Bur the religious right didn't have this big of a monopoly

2018-07-21 21:34:29 UTC  

And this perfect an ideology

2018-07-21 21:34:48 UTC  

It's pretty easy to show the Bible is stupid

2018-07-21 21:35:00 UTC  

The monopoly is an issue.

2018-07-21 21:35:02 UTC  

The bible is not.

2018-07-21 21:35:09 UTC  

It's pretty nigh impossible to refute a person who refuses what words are

2018-07-21 21:35:26 UTC  

Not everyone actually cares about logic. If anything it's a minority of the population that really cares deeply about internal logic.

2018-07-21 21:35:26 UTC  

the perfect ideology would be a good one

all current ones are flawed

2018-07-21 21:35:36 UTC  

Like for the Christians it was simple

2018-07-21 21:35:50 UTC  

You don't need something completely rational to create a cultural force. And honestly, simpler is usually better.

2018-07-21 21:35:52 UTC  

The Bible contradicted itself multiple times

2018-07-21 21:36:02 UTC  

And God doesn't have evidence

2018-07-21 21:36:07 UTC  

That's easy to prove

2018-07-21 21:36:08 UTC  

Social Justice contradicts itself many times.

2018-07-21 21:36:19 UTC  

The bible has more evidence than you give it credit for.

2018-07-21 21:36:31 UTC  

On the other hand Social justice is so perfect, cos in essence it means nothing

2018-07-21 21:36:34 UTC  

Alot of Old Testament stories do have physical evidence around the Fertile Crescent.

2018-07-21 21:36:48 UTC  

social justice contradicts itself too