Message from @>Cytos, de lieve goede synth

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2018-07-29 08:40:53 UTC  

no, thats how YOU'd do it

You don't have to stick around, you just have to know his identity, so that if the floor isn't cleaned, you go find him and kill him
Also, if you force him to, you can ahve him mop for 14-15 hours per day
As opposed to 8 hours from the money working person

So even at 75% efficiency compared to capitalist, he'll still be mopping more

2018-07-29 08:41:34 UTC  

You can also disarm him and then set a number of managers to monitor several people mopping floors.

2018-07-29 08:41:54 UTC  

If you're paying you still need management.

2018-07-29 08:42:03 UTC  

aite, why should the managers do their jobs? will you keep an eye on them, or are you paying them?

2018-07-29 08:42:30 UTC  

keep in mind, you are now pointing a gun at someone with a gun, if you go that route

2018-07-29 08:42:33 UTC  

"Any number of people can be managed if you divide them correctly" - Sun Tzu (in reference to military hierarchies)

2018-07-29 08:43:13 UTC  

no, the manager doesn't have a gun

2018-07-29 08:43:29 UTC  

why does the mopper do his job then?

2018-07-29 08:43:40 UTC  

cuz you send a KGB level agent after him if he doesn't

2018-07-29 08:43:46 UTC  

you don't have to directly threaten him

2018-07-29 08:43:50 UTC  

he just has to know the threat is there to follow

2018-07-29 08:44:06 UTC  

how do you make sure the agent does his job

2018-07-29 08:44:09 UTC  

the ratio of commissars in the soviet union wasn't 1 : 1 with the population

2018-07-29 08:44:10 UTC  

do you point a gun at him?

2018-07-29 08:44:16 UTC  

no, he gets benefits for loyalty

2018-07-29 08:44:21 UTC  

so you pay him then

2018-07-29 08:44:29 UTC  

yes

2018-07-29 08:44:34 UTC  

you pay him, so you can trust he will do his job

2018-07-29 08:44:41 UTC  

so he will do it well

2018-07-29 08:44:41 UTC  

you pay him, and hold a gun to his head too

2018-07-29 08:44:47 UTC  

so he can take care of himself

2018-07-29 08:45:15 UTC  

you put a gun in the hand of someone and then pount a gun at his head, eventually it will bite you in the ass

2018-07-29 08:45:22 UTC  

no?

2018-07-29 08:45:28 UTC  

you give him a gun only for killing someone else

2018-07-29 08:45:32 UTC  

after that he hands it back

2018-07-29 08:45:40 UTC  

and

2018-07-29 08:45:55 UTC  

he'll be alone, you have the rest of the government backing you

2018-07-29 08:46:01 UTC  

aite so now you have an armory with a entire paperwork factory behind it

2018-07-29 08:46:23 UTC  

you see how the cost of enforment ramps up really fast?

2018-07-29 08:46:56 UTC  

because no one is motivated to do what you want them to do, you gotta manage everything you want them to do, which costs more resources then you will get out of the labour

2018-07-29 08:47:04 UTC  

assuming soviet gulags are anything to go by

2018-07-29 08:47:14 UTC  

its not any different than the cost of capitalism

People prefer life over money

2018-07-29 08:47:39 UTC  

problem is that under authoritarianism, people have no incentive to be above-accepted

2018-07-29 08:47:53 UTC  

that is why authoritarian societies stagnate in progress, and capitalists don't

2018-07-29 08:48:08 UTC  

that doesn't change that making things work, is still more efficient in authoritarianism

2018-07-29 08:48:32 UTC  

and im saying with the soviet data is was clear it wassnt

2018-07-29 08:49:04 UTC  

What was the context where he said that? I only remember him saying that an authoritarian government has an advantage in being able to act quickly in cases of emergency, so in the case of a hostile invasion a dictator would be able rally the troops without asking anyone, but under a pure direct democracy people would have to meet up, vote, etc, or under a true anarchy they'd lack coordination to do much

2018-07-29 08:49:51 UTC  

he gave an example of making a guy mop a floor

2018-07-29 08:50:41 UTC  

Guns don't hold nearly enough liquids to do that effectively

2018-07-29 08:51:03 UTC  

what Schedrevka said is the whole argument