You will invariably find yourself at the point where the only things you can challenge are notions of talent and quality

XD so true

That is the reality of the "post truth" crowd

Is they exist in a paradigm with these authorities they want to challenge

I still can't get over the article picture. It's a real thing. And it won a prestigious award.

https://allthetropes.org/wiki/True_Art_Is_Incomprehensible

Not seperate from them

There is no way for one to challenge standards that dony exist

So really postmodern art

As much as it wants to be seperate from the standards and authorities it challenges

Could not exist without them

An everlasting plea to seperate from reality and perception

It's kinda fun. If you go to a major art museum you'll see the classics and immediately understand why they're classics and held in such high regard. And then you get to the post-moderns of the 1910s and realize how special it is and how it still has it's own high standards while subverting the traditional requirements of "art"

But then you go to the MOMA or something and begin to wonder if it's just a con game to steal money from gullible politicians or something.

It all kinda burned off and now it's just a bunch of junk with weak standards and is just strange for the sake of being strange.

XD get dem nice grant monies for da art schoolz

Your tax dollars at work!

Yeah i mean its not challenging to challenge a standard that has been challenged a million times outside of for practice

Letalone be considered great

Yeah, I'm big on the idea of a return to a certain degree of traditionalism in the academic system

Get the standards back.

Its a cycle

Back and forth in an eternal stuggle

But at this point yeeeeeeeah they need to come back in terms of alot of humanities

Music i think is the only one that has really stayed the path of tradition

In terms of academics. Even the newer sort of music classes are about well established traditional standards (at least in modern day with rock and pop classes and degrees becoming a thing)

Its great because the musical equivalent of postmodernism is actually extremely well defined in terms of rules that have been established and codified in tradition

Unlike its visual art counterpart

I mean, you'll read classic literature in the English department, but the ultimate goal is always to reach deconstruction and the research is entirely driven by SocJus-type trends.

Actually, that's not quite accurate.

Well not that postmodernism doesnt have a sort of structure

Most of the classic books have been replaced. But there's enough they'll claim they respect the classic canon.

Its just more a negative sort of structure. In the sense of whats left

Have you guys seen the postmodern generator

Yeah i have a bud doing an english literature/education double major at the uni iblive by

Yes

it generates papers it's hilarious

XD yeah its pretty funny

A student once got a paper peer reviewed, called "The conceptual penis"

it directly cited the post modern generator

And hes told me the horror stories of his SocJus class and the approach of most of his teachers

XD yeah ive seen that lol

One of my cousins had to take a "Feminist Poetry" class as a gen-ed requirement