Message from @JULZIFICATOR

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2018-07-31 23:42:18 UTC  

>Japans Population is in decline because the Japanese have hit late stages of the model & they are not letting immigrants in to grow their population.
Or maybe it's difficult for a young japanese person to get financially established to the point where they can attract a mate and start a family in responsible conditions.

2018-07-31 23:43:18 UTC  

'responsible conditions' change.

2018-07-31 23:43:32 UTC  

Technically yes all that is required to produce offspring is a one-night stand and 9 months of waiting, but that's not what most people do.

2018-07-31 23:44:39 UTC  

Most people want to have some degree of stability in their career and a decent income, and probably own a home before considering starting a family. If reaching that point brings you into your 30s, then fertility rapidly becomes an issue.

2018-07-31 23:46:33 UTC  

If wages were higher and employment was more stable we'd see plenty of endogenous population growth.

2018-07-31 23:48:10 UTC  

also gettin nuked prolly didnt help

2018-07-31 23:48:11 UTC  

Immigration on the other hand drives down wages and increases turnover.

2018-07-31 23:48:13 UTC  

baack in the day

2018-07-31 23:48:40 UTC  

Yes.

2018-07-31 23:49:14 UTC  

Aids in concentration of wealth in the upper classes over time as well.

2018-07-31 23:49:55 UTC  

They own the capital and merely replace their worker drones with fresh immigrants who'll work for less.

2018-07-31 23:50:04 UTC  

it only drives down wages in affected jobs, no?

2018-07-31 23:50:19 UTC  

I can't imagine being an employer who did that sort of shit

2018-07-31 23:50:25 UTC  

"Yeah I'm just gonna use people now"

2018-07-31 23:50:31 UTC  

What are H1Bs?

2018-07-31 23:50:49 UTC  

"Wring them like a washcloth and then cast them into the garbage. Over and over."

2018-07-31 23:50:50 UTC  

yeah teh worker culture in japan is quite interesting

2018-07-31 23:51:05 UTC  

Literally a license to replace domestic workers with people who will work for less and have fewer rights.

2018-07-31 23:51:29 UTC  

a bunch of uneducated immigrates wouldn't drive down wages in say doctors

2018-07-31 23:51:54 UTC  

yeah if only there was more demand for doctors

2018-07-31 23:52:14 UTC  

also more people with capitol to be able to afford the degree to become a doctor

2018-07-31 23:52:39 UTC  

Don't conflate immigration with illegal immigration. We're not just talking about some brown folk hanging out outside the Home Depot.

2018-07-31 23:53:20 UTC  

Yeah there is such thing as high skilled immigrants

2018-07-31 23:54:13 UTC  

If Japan let it happen I'm sure there'd be a bazillion Chinese people with advanced degrees moving there just because it's a better place to live.

2018-07-31 23:54:44 UTC  

thats debatable

2018-07-31 23:54:56 UTC  

they don't exactly forgive japan for WWII

2018-07-31 23:55:21 UTC  

Replace Chinese with Malaysian or Filipino then.

2018-07-31 23:55:25 UTC  

Same idea.

2018-07-31 23:55:31 UTC  

XD or all the incidents that happened leading up to ww2

2018-07-31 23:55:32 UTC  

many chinese people have a.... conflicted views on japan after ww2

2018-07-31 23:55:49 UTC  

Lol and from before ww2

2018-07-31 23:55:56 UTC  

what happens when you run out or just flat out don't have any domestic works for a job?

2018-07-31 23:56:01 UTC  

asians are racist as hell, they all hate each other

2018-07-31 23:56:06 UTC  

You increase wages.

2018-07-31 23:56:10 UTC  

People retrain.

2018-07-31 23:56:22 UTC  

so that job goes unfilled for years?

2018-07-31 23:56:54 UTC  

well potentially years anyway

2018-07-31 23:57:00 UTC  

you must recruit from somewhere else, or automate the job

2018-07-31 23:57:14 UTC  

I mean just look at ghengis kahn

2018-07-31 23:57:17 UTC  

The company then learns that they need to have apprenticeship programs and scholarship programs.

2018-07-31 23:57:33 UTC  

Like back in the 90s tech firms were flinging tech scholarship money around like mad.