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Argumentation: The Study of Effective Reasoning, 2nd Edition David Zarefsky

and JDM won't take it off slow mo

Is where I got it.

"Argumentation theory, or argumentation, is the interdisciplinary study of how conclusions can be reached through logical reasoning; that is, claims based, soundly or not, on premises."

" It includes the arts and sciences of civil debate, dialogue, conversation, and persuasion. It studies rules of inference, logic, and procedural rules in both artificial and real world settings"

sound about right?

or did he use a very different definition that he made up for his book

so... how is that not debating?

At the end of a debate, people draw their own conclusions and either agree or disagree

i guess there is a chicken and the egg problem where

Close enough.

debate requires argumentation, but argumentation includes debate

I just use Merriam webster when i googled the word

"the act or process of forming reasons and of drawing conclusions and applying them to a case in discussion"

Okay, it's not adversarial. Debate is.

argumentation doesn't have to be a debate,

You can make your argument without having a counter-argument given,

By preaching for example

Debate requires it, but it is not debate, sound fair?

Argumentation has an interlocutor, but it's not a debate.

Debate requires arguments to be presented, but it's not argumentation.

presenting arguments is argumentation

No.

I just use Merriam webster when i googled the word

"the act or process of forming reasons and of drawing conclusions and applying them to a case in discussion"

I like how people try to redefine words.

I'm not redefining a word.

I'm using the original definition.

the action or process of reasoning systematically in support of an idea, action, or theory. ?

that is debatable

lol

damn you got me there,

I didn't get to talk to the guy who invented the word 😦

you'd have to prove that was the first ever use of the term

i have to go with a dictionary definition

which, technically, it isn't even the first use, give that its the second edition

but it most likely didn't change much

you guys arguing over semantics?

yes

Actually, no.

we're debating!

.... there is irony here

😛

its semantics ultimately, but thats 90% of internet debate

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that's because people's arguments suck without redefining words.