Message from @Lagomaster24

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2018-08-29 00:23:26 UTC  

I like living in Iowa except for this weather

2018-08-29 00:23:46 UTC  

Hence "All people are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights"

2018-08-29 00:23:52 UTC  

Right.

2018-08-29 00:24:34 UTC  

Modern Natural Rights theory tends to drop the "creator" (to be secular) but does hold that your rights are endowed by you being a conscious human.

2018-08-29 00:24:50 UTC  

in other words

2018-08-29 00:24:53 UTC  

Natural Rights.

2018-08-29 00:25:03 UTC  

You can deny god, but you can't deny nature.

2018-08-29 00:25:29 UTC  

Right. But Natural Rights are completely neglected in the Academies and alot of people don't really think that way anymore.

2018-08-29 00:25:42 UTC  

Which is where you get all sorts of nonsense from.

2018-08-29 00:25:43 UTC  

Damn shame, if you ask me.

2018-08-29 00:25:45 UTC  

It is.

2018-08-29 00:26:04 UTC  

It's actually a big part of how conservatives got exiled from the academies. Along with stuff like Military History.

2018-08-29 00:26:17 UTC  

yea even with my majors we didnt go nearly enough into Natural Rights

2018-08-29 00:26:54 UTC  

Military History is still a thing where i went

2018-08-29 00:26:54 UTC  

You get "conservative students" who go around "well, is it in the constitution" and "liberal students" who think that rights are merely legal or moral imperatives.

2018-08-29 00:27:04 UTC  

You went UVA, right?

2018-08-29 00:27:05 UTC  

(query for entries between [01/01/1601 00:00:00] and [08/29/2018 00:26:15] <--- this seems... excessive

2018-08-29 00:27:09 UTC  

no

2018-08-29 00:27:23 UTC  

idk if i want to say

2018-08-29 00:27:27 UTC  

Fair.

2018-08-29 00:27:42 UTC  

ive already revealed my state

2018-08-29 00:27:49 UTC  

Pratel

2018-08-29 00:27:53 UTC  

so i want to largely keep it at that

2018-08-29 00:27:54 UTC  

I'm calling bullshit.

2018-08-29 00:28:30 UTC  

the 10th Amendment takes the bill of rights out of the State's hands, verbatim.

2018-08-29 00:28:48 UTC  

Which is why, if challenged in court, the individual would win.

2018-08-29 00:29:07 UTC  

Everyone remembers amendment #1 and amendment #2

2018-08-29 00:29:20 UTC  

Anything that's not an amendment or a state law that doesn't go against the constitution

2018-08-29 00:29:24 UTC  

Is unconstitutional.

2018-08-29 00:29:32 UTC  

Everything left alone IS a right.

2018-08-29 00:29:44 UTC  

even if it's not outlined in the constitution

2018-08-29 00:29:49 UTC  

or a state constitution.

2018-08-29 00:30:02 UTC  

acorn vs jim
who wins?

2018-08-29 00:30:35 UTC  

You're arguing that because the bill of rights protects mostly individual rights that the individual would win over a state law that's inherently in contravention of the bill of rights.

2018-08-29 00:30:52 UTC  

That's a constitutional legal argument and you'd have an argument to make.

2018-08-29 00:31:07 UTC  

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

2018-08-29 00:31:20 UTC  

But on my understanding of the history (as outlined in that page I gave you) is that it wasn't the accepted argument and still isn't.

2018-08-29 00:31:41 UTC  

I suppose the argument might've been, at the time, that the government, the bill of rights doesn't specifically tell the states, "now, states... Don't you do this...."

2018-08-29 00:31:52 UTC  

The government can takeaway your kids for what you say

2018-08-29 00:32:03 UTC  

and so they might've done it anyway.

2018-08-29 00:32:37 UTC  

Well, cps and dhs are pieces of shits in a few states. Like Oklahoma