Message from @Grenade123

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2018-08-31 23:10:39 UTC  

it would force other improvements to technology and research to counteract those

2018-08-31 23:10:55 UTC  

i.e. the world isn't going to stop because people live in shitty conditions working

2018-08-31 23:12:40 UTC  

> In fact, foreign investment is only good for an economy if it brings needed technological or managerial innovation or if that economy cannot otherwise raise funding for domestic productive investment. If neither holds — and they hold in developing economies only, not advanced countries like the United States — foreign investment always forces the recipient country to choose between a higher debt burden and higher unemployment.

2018-08-31 23:13:12 UTC  

> As long as the United States is the only country willing and able to run the current account deficits that result from foreign accumulation of dollars, the dollar will be the only important global reserve currency. And as long as other economies try to goose domestic growth or reduce domestic unemployment by forcing up exports relative to imports, either U.S. debt will be higher or U.S. growth will be lower and unemployment higher. This is why the United States will eventually limit foreigners from accumulating dollars for their reserves.

2018-08-31 23:13:25 UTC  

> The logic is inexorable. As the global economy grows relative to that of the United States, it is only a matter of time before Washington is forced into defensive action. The only question is how much economic pain and domestic unemployment the United States is willing to accept before it acts. As long as the dollar is easy to acquire in near-unlimited amounts, foreign countries with weak domestic demand can simply buy dollars and force their domestic demand deficiencies onto their trading partners. Until then, it doesn’t matter whether or not the People’s Bank tries to improve the SDR’s visibility. It is entirely against China’s economic interests for the SDR to replace the dollar — let alone for the renminbi to do so.

2018-08-31 23:13:32 UTC  

LotheronPoole, sure the world isn't going to stop because people live in terrible working conditions, if it did, then sociaty would have hit multiple standstills through out history.

2018-08-31 23:14:23 UTC  

its not clear that china's behaviour has actually been a benefit to the west - I think in many ways China has gotten more out of it than the west has

2018-08-31 23:15:13 UTC  

China has also been a currency manipulator hasn't it?

2018-08-31 23:15:31 UTC  

Grenade - that is basically the point of what I quoted - but it'ts a very complicated issue

2018-08-31 23:15:47 UTC  

artificially fucking with its own currency to keep it down low relative to the dollar

2018-08-31 23:15:49 UTC  

Grenade, the fault is mostly US' - not Chinas

2018-08-31 23:16:06 UTC  

well i mean, it takes two to tango so yes

2018-08-31 23:17:07 UTC  

> There is, in short, no way Japan could have benefited from People’s Bank purchases of its yen bonds. Only the United States permits unlimited purchases of government bonds by foreign central banks — not because, however, it is immune to the problems Japan and other advanced countries face. Like them, the United States can easily fund productive domestic investments without foreign capital, and so rather than cause productive investment to rise, foreign investment causes domestic savings to fall, which can only happen with a rising debt burden or rising unemployment.

2018-08-31 23:17:30 UTC  

Before we sanction China, we should do something about Venezuela

2018-08-31 23:17:45 UTC  

VZ is toast already

2018-08-31 23:18:06 UTC  

drop leaflets telling the poeple to move out, then carpet bomb the whole place, let nature reclaim it

2018-08-31 23:18:20 UTC  

Stefan, China is worse than VZ - I think VZ will sort itself out way before china - but yeah sure, VZ also needs sanctions (if they don't have already)

2018-08-31 23:18:48 UTC  

And how many people have to die in VZ and how many other Countrys have to be flooded with Refugees?

2018-08-31 23:18:58 UTC  

bill it as a "save the rainforest" act

2018-08-31 23:19:02 UTC  

no, Venezuela is the one of the worst situations we have right now!

2018-08-31 23:19:33 UTC  

there's no we

2018-08-31 23:19:37 UTC  

they fucked themselves

2018-08-31 23:20:12 UTC  

It needs to come from the inside

2018-08-31 23:20:23 UTC  

It really does unfortunately.

2018-08-31 23:20:28 UTC  

And I know someone in there right now.

2018-08-31 23:20:36 UTC  

or else it's just imperialist america not letting socialism work

2018-08-31 23:20:49 UTC  

See, why then sanction China? It has to come from within.

2018-08-31 23:21:07 UTC  

because china is a world power

2018-08-31 23:21:19 UTC  

you can't treat the two the same

2018-08-31 23:21:23 UTC  

It annoys the *shit* out of me that this "DON'T EAT PORK" shit is still going on.

2018-08-31 23:21:28 UTC  

We have learned how to prepare pigs.

2018-08-31 23:21:31 UTC  

So its OK if people in VZ die but China is a different story?

2018-08-31 23:21:34 UTC  

Why the fuck are people still avoiding pigs.

2018-08-31 23:21:39 UTC  

EAT YOUR FUCKING PIGS.

2018-08-31 23:21:58 UTC  

Because its an order from the Book!

2018-08-31 23:22:45 UTC  

To be fair, in counties without a well developed pig farm industry, it could still be a bad call.

2018-08-31 23:23:12 UTC  

Like in the US it is fine, but in like Somalia? Eeeeeh

2018-08-31 23:37:06 UTC  

Did my excellent linkage just kill the chat.