Message from @Rouqen

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2018-09-04 05:19:14 UTC  

I want to try

2018-09-04 05:19:34 UTC  

And I need info if it is possible and how

2018-09-04 05:20:25 UTC  

I moved my sister to center left

2018-09-04 05:20:40 UTC  

I'm convinced I could repeat the process given time

2018-09-04 05:20:47 UTC  

With a non relative

2018-09-04 05:20:51 UTC  

Ok

2018-09-04 05:20:55 UTC  

How did you do it

2018-09-04 05:21:14 UTC  

Did you hit her with facts over and over again?

2018-09-04 05:21:31 UTC  

Start off with the obviously ridiculous examples at the extreme end of what prominent voices are actually saying, play devil's advocate for a moderate right wing position

2018-09-04 05:21:39 UTC  

Openly devils advocate mind

2018-09-04 05:21:48 UTC  

I'd say the most important thing to do is first figure out whether they're discussing things in good faith with you or not. If you want to change people's minds you typically need to be understanding of their views and empathetic. But that will just get you taken advantage of by the typical far left talking points

2018-09-04 05:21:50 UTC  

Like "well they probably think this"

2018-09-04 05:22:04 UTC  

That too yeah, they have to be willing to listen

2018-09-04 05:22:15 UTC  

A lot don't

2018-09-04 05:22:22 UTC  

They just shut you up

2018-09-04 05:22:33 UTC  

Or just shout

2018-09-04 05:22:57 UTC  

If it's a public conversation with someone like that then it's probably impossible especially with their friends coming to back them up, but you can at least give them enough rope to hang themselves and maybe convince any spectators that they might not be in the right

2018-09-04 05:24:14 UTC  

But yeah, just constantly telling someone "you're wrong" is almost never going to work regardless of how many facts you have to back it up. People dig their heels into the ground and double down when someone acts like that since they don't care about who's right so much as 'winning' the discussion and probably more importantly not letting you 'win'

2018-09-04 05:24:16 UTC  

I would say it needs to be private conversations with people you already have some sort of relationship with

2018-09-04 05:24:38 UTC  

I shifted a friend on Antifa

2018-09-04 05:24:46 UTC  

Wow

2018-09-04 05:24:55 UTC  

That is impressive

2018-09-04 05:25:03 UTC  

By explaining that they define shit so broadly that it puts me in danger

2018-09-04 05:25:09 UTC  

And others like me

2018-09-04 05:25:12 UTC  

Do speeches ever work

2018-09-04 05:25:14 UTC  

Like

2018-09-04 05:25:21 UTC  

Fact presentations

2018-09-04 05:25:30 UTC  

That happen to touch the topic

2018-09-04 05:25:31 UTC  

"I have a dream" shit doesn't work, and raw statistics isn't ideal

2018-09-04 05:25:44 UTC  

Make it all personal and localized

2018-09-04 05:26:01 UTC  

"This is how this could affect you or someone like you"

2018-09-04 05:26:03 UTC  

If they don't agree and aren't actually interested in understanding your view that's just going to bore and annoy them

2018-09-04 05:26:11 UTC  

Present your ideas from an empathetic standpoint

2018-09-04 05:26:56 UTC  

The left wing narrative right now is all about targeted empathy. Divert the course of the river

2018-09-04 05:27:25 UTC  

I don't think there's any one real answer to this question. But deeply understanding their views and how to properly explain your own is probably the most important thing to it.

2018-09-04 05:27:28 UTC  

Lile making class speeches about class shit that happens to touch a topic. Just drop a kernel of truth there. And there. And just kinda show them all the facts with credited science sources they can check by themselves.

2018-09-04 05:27:36 UTC  

Can such a scheme work

2018-09-04 05:27:54 UTC  

I am in Cali I remind you

2018-09-04 05:28:20 UTC  

It is hard to maka just a speech with a 180 opinion

2018-09-04 05:28:59 UTC  

Most of the far left regressivism sounds like it makes sense and is morally right on first viewing and that makes it a very awkward sort of thing to counter

2018-09-04 05:29:33 UTC  

Yeah don't do public attempts