Message from @Beemann

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2018-09-04 05:24:46 UTC  

Wow

2018-09-04 05:24:55 UTC  

That is impressive

2018-09-04 05:25:03 UTC  

By explaining that they define shit so broadly that it puts me in danger

2018-09-04 05:25:09 UTC  

And others like me

2018-09-04 05:25:12 UTC  

Do speeches ever work

2018-09-04 05:25:14 UTC  

Like

2018-09-04 05:25:21 UTC  

Fact presentations

2018-09-04 05:25:30 UTC  

That happen to touch the topic

2018-09-04 05:25:31 UTC  

"I have a dream" shit doesn't work, and raw statistics isn't ideal

2018-09-04 05:25:44 UTC  

Make it all personal and localized

2018-09-04 05:26:01 UTC  

"This is how this could affect you or someone like you"

2018-09-04 05:26:03 UTC  

If they don't agree and aren't actually interested in understanding your view that's just going to bore and annoy them

2018-09-04 05:26:11 UTC  

Present your ideas from an empathetic standpoint

2018-09-04 05:26:56 UTC  

The left wing narrative right now is all about targeted empathy. Divert the course of the river

2018-09-04 05:27:25 UTC  

I don't think there's any one real answer to this question. But deeply understanding their views and how to properly explain your own is probably the most important thing to it.

2018-09-04 05:27:28 UTC  

Lile making class speeches about class shit that happens to touch a topic. Just drop a kernel of truth there. And there. And just kinda show them all the facts with credited science sources they can check by themselves.

2018-09-04 05:27:36 UTC  

Can such a scheme work

2018-09-04 05:27:54 UTC  

I am in Cali I remind you

2018-09-04 05:28:20 UTC  

It is hard to maka just a speech with a 180 opinion

2018-09-04 05:28:59 UTC  

Most of the far left regressivism sounds like it makes sense and is morally right on first viewing and that makes it a very awkward sort of thing to counter

2018-09-04 05:29:33 UTC  

Yeah don't do public attempts

2018-09-04 05:29:50 UTC  

Nobody wants to be publicly humiliated, so they'll fight you harder

2018-09-04 05:30:12 UTC  

I actually was kinda supportive of the left like 2 years ago when I was 13. But I looked into that shit and just realized how dumb it was

2018-09-04 05:30:14 UTC  

Convince individuals, and keep them in mind when you try to convince them

2018-09-04 05:30:50 UTC  

I flipped from moderate left to ancap when I was 15 or 16, then slowly ramped back to libertarian

2018-09-04 05:31:03 UTC  

Can such things happen to others and can I influence that happening and not have a direct convo about it

2018-09-04 05:31:06 UTC  

And that was prior to a lot of the sj nonsenae

2018-09-04 05:31:10 UTC  

Nonsense*

2018-09-04 05:32:04 UTC  

I would say you could try bringing it up in class once you know the lay of the land and have made some progress

2018-09-04 05:32:12 UTC  

There's a lot of dumb shit on both sides. Sadly it seems like most of the active and vocal left is currently the one spouting the dumbest shit. I still consider myself pretty solidly left leaning in my thinking despite how much disdain I have for the modern left itself.

2018-09-04 05:32:28 UTC  

I am a Libertarian

2018-09-04 05:32:44 UTC  

You've got a lot more work to do then lol

2018-09-04 05:32:55 UTC  

That is the right I think in this political hellhole

2018-09-04 05:33:07 UTC  

And left are dipshits

2018-09-04 05:33:16 UTC  

Basically

2018-09-04 05:33:26 UTC  

Not exactly Authoritarian

2018-09-04 05:33:30 UTC  

Bit dipshits

2018-09-04 05:33:54 UTC  

I would try to eliminate that kind of thinking

2018-09-04 05:34:00 UTC  

If you want to convince people

2018-09-04 05:34:01 UTC  

I think most people here are pretty heavily libertarian in their values, though I don't think there are than many that identify with the current Libertarian party

2018-09-04 05:34:35 UTC  

I find most people are big govt when it suits them