Got the vibes

Left

It was hilarious. When i was just a youngling politics newbie, the Far left twitter loonies convinced me that i was an alt-right conservative type. Later on i actually broke down what i believed, i found out i was farther left than some of the SJW's that were attacking my character.

Been working on using left/right distinctions less and Authoritarian/Libertarian distinctions more. Just to even out

Interestingly I don't think I've been called alt right seriously by anyone

Oh there was one random (((progressive))) on some other Disc server that did

but never IRL seriously.

And I love some edgy shit.

Patrick Little makes me laugh

last time i tried to have real argument on twitter, it was with dude that happened to be black, after few exchanges he just said 'why don't you just call me nigger' lmao.. that's when I gave up on trying to talk politics on twitter

he couldn't get me on anything so he literally asked me to call him nigger

I went to an online BLM group and one of the mods told me that I couldn't prove that it was BLM protesting in Baltimore

Yup, I had that happen on disqus

They were holding signs and chanting...

People said I couldn't prove any BLM members were rioters, even though there was heavy timetable overlap

And people wearing BLM shirts and burning shit

And people shouting Black Lives Matter while they rioted. And BLM figureheads saying it's totally fine

Has any of you successfully changed the outlook of a leftist

I want to try

And I need info if it is possible and how

I moved my sister to center left

I'm convinced I could repeat the process given time

With a non relative

Ok

How did you do it

Did you hit her with facts over and over again?

Start off with the obviously ridiculous examples at the extreme end of what prominent voices are actually saying, play devil's advocate for a moderate right wing position

Openly devils advocate mind

I'd say the most important thing to do is first figure out whether they're discussing things in good faith with you or not. If you want to change people's minds you typically need to be understanding of their views and empathetic. But that will just get you taken advantage of by the typical far left talking points

Like "well they probably think this"

That too yeah, they have to be willing to listen

A lot don't

They just shut you up

Or just shout

If it's a public conversation with someone like that then it's probably impossible especially with their friends coming to back them up, but you can at least give them enough rope to hang themselves and maybe convince any spectators that they might not be in the right

But yeah, just constantly telling someone "you're wrong" is almost never going to work regardless of how many facts you have to back it up. People dig their heels into the ground and double down when someone acts like that since they don't care about who's right so much as 'winning' the discussion and probably more importantly not letting you 'win'

I would say it needs to be private conversations with people you already have some sort of relationship with

I shifted a friend on Antifa

Wow

That is impressive

By explaining that they define shit so broadly that it puts me in danger