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that's not true. they also want Mitt Romney dead

people like hotep will be our puppet rulers

the science of marxism tells us that behaviour is 0% heritable

probably a guy

wait really, I thought that was a joke

2021-01-17 07:00:49 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

imagine being so brain damaged by the internet you don't believe in natural selection

2021-01-17 13:48:53 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

yeah AOC invented not being fully capitalist or socialist

2021-01-17 13:48:56 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

she did that

2021-01-23 22:43:50 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

Giuli what was your response to Strauss' claim that Schmitt is still grounded in liberal moralising with his critique of liberalism

2021-01-24 01:51:31 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

eh

he says Hobbes in a sense laid the foundation for liberalism by treating the state of nature as a state of war as something to be controlled, compared to Schmitt's affirmation of the political as the state of war/nature

which is more like what Woods is doing himself

like that is exactly what he is resisting, the idea that nature is a state of war and that politics is about the possibility of war

2021-01-24 02:39:07 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

I also didn't see how Strauss made the connection of Schmitt finding it desirable meaning that the idea as such was a moral idea

2021-01-24 03:42:11 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

I see

pokemon anon sounds libt4rded

cool so all we need to dd to eliminate group conflict is have infinity resources

there's also the issue that people want to do more than just subsist

why's volkcialist so mad

2021-01-28 03:18:15 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

humanity is a fiction

2021-01-28 03:19:46 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

yeah they are lol

2021-01-28 03:43:04 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

how old are you

2021-01-28 03:43:45 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

old enough not to think things as simplistic as that

2021-01-28 03:45:22 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

no I don't, it's not a particularly difficult concept to wrap your mind around

2021-01-28 03:46:11 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

are you are of the concept of anti-fragility chungus

2021-01-28 03:46:19 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

the human being needs to be stressed

2021-01-28 03:46:23 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

ie. needs to feel pain

2021-01-28 03:46:28 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

just as much as pleasure

2021-01-28 03:48:54 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

he doesn't even understand the criticism

2021-01-28 04:24:47 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

isn't that like a contradiction

2021-01-28 04:26:48 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

still inflicting pain

2021-01-28 04:28:37 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

it doesn't sound strange at all, it just sounds strange within your moral framework

2021-01-28 04:31:13 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

if pain can be beneficial and pleasure harmful, that should point towards a more fundamental value than pleasure vs. pain

2021-01-28 04:37:55 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

what if maximising pleasure is a self-detonating concept because you need psychologically to feel pain, and only feeling pleasure numbs your ability to feel pleasure

2021-01-28 04:38:32 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

it is not a coherent concept

2021-01-28 04:43:20 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

you started this by saying pain should be abolished

2021-01-28 04:54:09 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

the optimal level of pain is right at your limit

2021-01-28 04:54:25 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

there's a technical term for it that escapes me right now

2021-01-28 04:55:13 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

the limit being the treshold between manageable and unmanageable

2021-01-28 07:54:01 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

<:thinkingsuicide:793674864619683840>

2021-01-28 07:57:41 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

you

2021-01-28 07:58:54 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

yeah you could use utilitarianism to justify brutal tyranny if you wanted

2021-01-28 08:00:33 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

at the most basic level it is the same as what aqua said

2021-01-28 08:01:15 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

protection of the ingroup versus the outgroup/s

2021-01-28 08:01:21 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

expansion of the ingroup

2021-01-28 08:01:41 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

no you don't

2021-01-28 08:02:33 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

well for one because different groups have different material interests

2021-01-28 08:04:28 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

I tohught I demonstrated why it's not a valid concept

2021-01-28 08:12:39 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

what I meant by you don't care for the outgroup as much as the ingroup, is if that if your vision of society is this liberal utilitarianism, that automatically puts you into an ingroup of liberal utilitarians that is in conflict with outgroups that don't want this vision enacted

2021-01-28 08:49:18 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #vc-chat]  

one of the generals made a remark about the northern border on korea being so irradiated that the chinese couldn't cross through it

2021-01-28 08:49:52 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #vc-chat]  

I think that was also MacArthur

2021-01-28 08:55:56 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #vc-chat]  

isn't it funny that one of the liberal go-to insults is "closed minded"

2021-01-28 09:05:51 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #vc-chat]  

17 is the proper age to be a liberal to be fair

2021-01-28 09:19:49 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #vc-chat]  

even if one group somehow managed to completely genocide all their rivals and have complete domination of the earth, it would probably then fracture into separate groups

2021-01-28 09:24:54 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #vc-chat]  

it's not about "basing it" it's about recognising it as a reality

2021-01-28 09:51:23 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #vc-chat]  

Hitler actually beat up a reactionary politician

Mark Felton

I don't think so

2021-02-13 13:06:08 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

it's a fairly unanimous attitude about fascism from communists at the time

2021-02-13 13:06:11 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

... and since then

mix your GAYbour

2021-02-14 07:42:55 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

a lot of leftists can't conceive of history by any other lens but the most vulgar economic determinism

2021-02-15 11:24:24 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

10 years from now people will be posting Obama quotes about gay marriage to imply that actually progressivism is based somehow

2021-02-15 15:00:26 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #serious]  

I mean far right ppl

2021-02-18 11:28:01 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #vc-chat]  

I thought this was that music reviewer for a moment

2021-02-18 11:28:09 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #vc-chat]  

when the needle drops or whatever

pollyannaism

2021-02-18 11:31:15 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #vc-chat]  

<:uhm:795724629066645556>

2021-02-21 06:19:53 UTC [Kiel Kanal Politics #vc-chat]  

how was meto able to get on but giuli not

Giuli hates Nietzsche?

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