Cool

yeah you could use utilitarianism to justify brutal tyranny if you wanted

Depending on your views on how tyranny impacts the common good of people.

I would argue it is destructive to peoples well being.

ingolfr what is your basic level goal that informs your political views?

at the most basic level it is the same as what aqua said

protection of the ingroup versus the outgroup/s

Yes because you are all tribalists

expansion of the ingroup

I care for both in groups and out groups.

no you don't

Why care for just one when you can care for both?

Oh yes I do

well for one because different groups have different material interests

@BigJim so you support basic human biology, good on you

I might be able to vc with you in an hour

I might be able to voice chat then

If not I can tomorrow

And I am rather disappointed with all of you, you can't even debunk his basic white bitch utilitarianism

@BigJim if a man is given a baby and a gun should he shoot it?

I tohught I demonstrated why it's not a valid concept

given the baby will grow up to be hitler

and the man doesnt know it will

How do we know the baby will grow up to be Hitler?

he doesnt

but it will

What you should say his political goals aren't political, they are simply fantasies

what im doing is more interesting

He can wish whatever he wants but that's not how political laws work

The most interesting thing you did was shitting your pants

They sometimes call me a utopian but fail to actually substantiate it properly

you are

@BigJim don't debate AquaRegia he shat his pants

you believe in vague concept

@BigJim

of pleasure and pain of humans

that has no basis in politics in any history

By utopian I mean you are in same line with French utopians who believed in similar concepts out of some basic empathy and justified it with absolutely nothing

Not having justification for your desire is bad enough but they can't justify how to implement such goals in reality ether

History and present state of politics only confirm my beliefs, not yours

what I meant by you don't care for the outgroup as much as the ingroup, is if that if your vision of society is this liberal utilitarianism, that automatically puts you into an ingroup of liberal utilitarians that is in conflict with outgroups that don't want this vision enacted