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(Sorry to go back a bit) Wilhelm reich as in the historian?

@ComradeChaos ok a different one, cheers for the info

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They are the same thing, one is when society views it positively, the other negatively

If one is to believe in a higher being, and that human logic and reasoning is flawed, we are unable to find objective reason, or really any universal morality ourselves, meaning our only duty is to follow said higher being and - if they are omniscient and omnipotent - their description of meaning will be de facto objective and universal, and if they are omnibenevolent, then what they tell us is either true or a lie that it is best for us to believe. the question then of what is the meaning of life becomes a theological one of what which 'god' has said.

@Revolt Against Everything I agree with much of what you wrote but I cannot see how the third meaning of life constitutes anything of real worth

@Revolt Against Everything and why should this self-defined worth hold any value?

@Revolt Against Everything pardon me but I don't follow, I meant that if human reasoning is so flawed the only proper conclusion about meaning and morality of actions must come from a more perfect mind - ie. god - so I would disagree with
> the Meaning of the individual and one's image as they live out their life
as I would consider it rather fruitless to try and conjure up some form of meaning for oneself and expect it to hold any value whatsoever

mhm

ah I get what you were saying now

“I don’t like what gov say therefore intrinsic morality no exist” <:cringe:591181675426217995>

Hello folks, being indoors for days made me decide to try and get fit. I swim every week (decently) but carry a bit of weight on top on that, I have little idea what I’m doing so does anyone have any good introductory guides to exercise at home? Cheers in advance.

I have none really to speak of

I suppose it might be relevant I have a small garden outside that I can use

(Apologise if this is out of order) I know this is for an old question but I found this very interesting https://youtu.be/RkyMtJsy2TE

When they split is just ecclesiastical history... but who's right? I lean towards the orthos. Protties are just plain wrong, the position of the Roman Catholic is too.... messy... in my opinion. There are too many changes in direction of doctrine and dogma, especially in the last century, Holy Tradition, Apostolic succession and the supremacy of Ecclesiastical General Councils in the Eastern Churches make much more sense to me than said Tradition, Succession in the Catholic view plus ofc the notion of the Supremacy of the Roman Pontiff, Ex Cathedra which leads to shit like (forgive me I forget the name of the doctrine but its smth about the seeds of new dogma being taught by the pope every time he goes ex cathedra was always in the faith, the apostles just didn't realise it yet), like that is completely at odds with Holy Tradition of the Church Fathers and Holy Apostles, It's verging on saying the faith gets more false (or at least less "Whole") the closer it you go to The Apostles. Plus I'm not a great fan of the whole scholastic tradition of the western churches, Orthodox quasi-mysticism seems to be closer to the Christian view of man, and his logical capabilities.
Thats my tuppence anyway, feel free to inform me of any errors I have made.

(On the other hand I do really like the Catholic Church's strong links with Philosophy and Political Science - Social Catholicsm etc - which the east is pretty sparse on)

In my communications with any ortho they only really hate the filioque bcs they dislike the way it was put in place, not its content. Orthodox disagreement with the theology behind the filioque was only constructed post schism

ie. via Papal recommendation not an ecumenical council, as they would hold the Creed as being so central and important only such a council could have the authority to change it (ofc them holding the Roman 'Patriarch' to be Primus Inter Pares not supreme)

eoppa is correct

They call themselves brothers of Christ, the word brother has more meanings than litteral genetic brother in the original language

Sorry if my language caused confusion I didnt say they did not deny the filioque, i was merely making a statement from my experiance on why they did so

@Eoppa Plus I will not argue further on the content of any Ex Cathedra statement as it has simply been to long since I have studied anything related. But I will make a comment on my position on Papal supremacy in general. It seems to be propped up by a single verse of the Bible that is extremally vague (That the church will be built upon the rock of Peter's faith) leads to Peters Successors being supreme amongst all bishops, and the catechism of the catholic church uses this (and other verses) to point out that Peter was foremost amongst the apostles. Yes this is completely true but what about this gives his decendants the position of control over the other bishops all over the world, let alone the rest of the Pentarchy. This supremacy doesn't get valid 'infallible' support until Vatican I, which is not a church wide *Ecclesiastical General* council and only had infallibility in catholic thought as it received papal approval, therefore Papal supremacy and infallibility becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, if you will.

That could be from a previous marriage

meaning if its from a previous marriage then they are half-brothers, and if not they are cousins.

Denying Immaculate conception is yucky and cringe af

The papacy was considered the most important position in the church and their leader, but not with authority over the whole church @Eoppa

@ComradeChaos yes, because that 'narrative' is correct, therefore if Mary remained a virgin its illogical to say that those listed are Christ's full biological brothers

No I completely agree with you on this one Eoppa, the ortho's reasons for the Filioque being false are just wack

@ComradeChaos you know, monks and nuns exist? If God had a reason to keep her a virgin it is nowhere near illogical to say that the Holy Spirit could aid both of them in this feat

Pardon me for asking where has this 13 number come from