My twin brother is caught up in this RP stuff, and it is ruining his life. He lost his girlfriend, alienated our parents, lost most of his friends, and also lost his job...I haven't given up trying to reach him, but he won't take anything I say seriously because I have a vagina.

I want to help, if I can, and maybe figure out a way to help my brother.

I really want him to bond with my son, his nephew, who is 7 months old, but I'm also afraid of what he says when the baby gets old enough to understand.

@IntAnon I'll try to find out his username, I'm pretty sure he has a separate name for TRP stuff...and I don't know what it is. I'm not sure how much he interacts on TRP, in the beginning he sent me a lot of YouTube videos from an MGTOW channel called Sandman. But lately he's been doing a lot of self improvement, which I initially thought was good, but now I think it means he's possibly moved into RP.

I am a scientist, and I have access to most scientific journals. If you guys here statistics or studies that don't sound quite right, let me know. I am happy to look into it and see what these studies are really saying. I've found TRP loves cherry picked data that supports it's claims.

Hear*

He wasn't saying he was less than average. He was saying he is 'even less than average attracted to people who are overweight.

You aren't obligated to like someone back just because they like you. But I would be straightforward with her and say you only see her as a friend.

Also, I think it helps be realistic about yourself when setting your standards, and decide what is most important to you.

Like for me, a sense of humor and smarts was most important, Everything else was flexible to a certain degree.

Self confidence and thinking positively are great equalizers, they affect how you present yourself to the world. What is something you think is good about yourself?

Just don't get too far into your own head with it. It took me a long time to learn that it doesn't matter what you do/don't do, you'll never get everyone to like you. Your best bet is to worry about yourself and what you like, and not worry about other people so much, the ones who like you for you will stick around.

Hobbies are important. They can be frustrating because sometimes they feel like another commitment you are having trouble keeping up with, but you just gotta take it at your own pace.

Cars are cool, plus it'll help save you money if you can do stuff yourself.

I replaced the alternator on my Saturn, it took like a week, but it saved us a lot of money. I love my Saturn, not very much on it breaks, and the stuff that does is easy to fix.

My dad was a Porsche mechanic when he was younger, now he buys them cheap and broken and fixes em all up and sells em.

Sometimes I help him out, they have such expensive parts though.

So what are your other interests?

I like video games too, they can become very time consuming. I've played a lot less since my little dude was born. I still enjoy watching twitch though.

So 3d modelling like on a computer? That sounds awesome.

That's pretty cool though. I assemble and paint minis, the little DnD models, I find it pretty peaceful.

It's hard to get enough people together regularly to keep a game going. We've managed a few glorious summers, but It would always be nice to do more.

They do have some cool online programs for it nowadays..

I'm not TRP, my brother is currently, though. The other guys seem pretty legit in being ex-TRP.

It offers up a lot of principles that draw guys in. It also preys on guys who are vulnerable just from failed relationships or being socially awkward.

I'm glad you found your way out. TRP hurts more than just the person in it.

It takes all kinds, I'm generally pretty introverted in everyday life.

People can always surprise you!

TRP offers an 'easy button' for things that have no easy button.

My brother sent me the Sandman videos.

I think people should be brave enough to admit to what makes them happy and accept that there are lots of different kinds of women and lots of different kinds of relationships.

He does. I was pretty shocked by those videos.

TRP makes it sound like you can only be happy if you have this type of woman and are living in this type of situation. I just don't think that's true.

Different things make different people happy you need to find the things that make you happy.

Teamwork will always be more important in a relationship than codependency.

Pretty much everything they say about women is extremely flawed. The tactics they use against women are tactics that would work against any human being male or female.

Oh I don't think that they are. But using mental Warfare like God to pray on somebody's insecurities. That will work on anybody. Not just females.

Sorry I meant to say like that to pray on somebody

Warfare like that. Not Warfare like God.

I just feel sorry for them.

They are victims of their own lack of self-esteem.

It's a good example of what negative thinking can do to a person.

Often times it's not. It's all about how we feel about ourselves which isn't always great.

The key is figuring out how to get through the rough patches

I got to get my kid ready for daycare. But I hope you have a great rest of the day and hopefully this conversation can continue!

Having kids just kind of forces the responsibility a little faster, I think. There is always value in doing something right, even if it wasn't exactly what you set out to do.

Kids are a ton of work, no doubt.

And it's super cliche to say, but I wouldn't trade it. Even though I waited till 35 to have my first.

It's not for everyone, I mean, just look at the world.

You should only have a kid if you want them.

I don't think giving 'field reports' is something that we want to actively encourage. I feel like most of that stuff is made up anyway.

@tubby you're just repeating RP philosophy right there though. There is no real, peer reviewed, published, scientific evidence supporting the existence of a 'top' group of guys 'sleeping with all the women'.

RP preys on young men who are suffering, it preys on their self doubt and low self esteem, much like a cult would. The 'epidemic' of girls only having sex with hot guys is made up to keep guys in the group.

It is, but RP converts are taught not to look.

I work on a college campus. My brother came to eat lunch with me a few weeks ago. He was acting so weird and I asked him what was up. He was completely convinced someone would accuse him of rape in broad daylight, and it would ruin his (already ironically ruined) life. That's how messed up this stuff is.

I get the concern, and I fully intend to teach my son to take care. But nobody is going to yell rape on a crowded street at lunchtime.

RP makes women subhuman, it's another way of further cutting off these young men from real connections.

I'm glad you did. And in a way, you are :)

I think it needs to be treated with more respect then a game.

The only thing RP has right is self improvement and self confidence. And ironically those and all the other tricks work just as well on both men and women.

You have some time. The other thing RP philosophy pushes is that it's over for women at 30. Making it seem like there is a rush. There is a lot of life after 30, for both men and women.

More life than before, if you are being realistic.

Crying is human, men would do well to remember that.

Rejection hurts for both sides too.

And it's a myth that it doesn't happen to women too, because it does.

You really do. You have to put yourself out there to have a chance. You miss 100% of the shots you never take and all that.

You do though. You're here, talking to us, that's a start.

Being social is a matter of putting yourself out there.

Do it for yourself, not the pussy, though. Self improvement is for you. It benefits other people but you aren't doing it for other people.

See ya.

Changes you make for others are temporary at best. Changes you make for you have a higher likelihood of being permanent.

And that's the real goal. Can you be happy in and of yourself?

Because if you can, it shines through. People notice that, they want a part of it.

I've seen it done nicely both ways, I think it comes down to personal preference. I'm all for variety.

It's my dad's, his racing Porsche that he built. Sadly it's the one he crashed on the racetrack. His new one is a 911 with an Italian police paint job...lol

He races casually in his club. Some guy clipped him on a corner and it was over. I should try to find the pic of the door torn off

I was just glad he walked away from that accident.

Yep, and no insurance on race cars so it was a total loss.

You generally don't want to reuse parts for racing that have been in an accident.

If you do, just go into it realising that...lol

They make you take driving classes. You have to put in like 60 hours of practice before you can do your first race.

I think it's a lot safer probably. You avoid the having to be first.

So...You're still living with a guy who humiliated you and won't take you seriously.

I think the answer is pretty clear.

Exactly.

You know his viewpoints. He hasn't given you any indication those viewpoints have changed.

Way better people, at the very least people who will respect your physical boundaries.

You left that part out

You're the one in the relationship that is up to you

Yup.

Forgiving someone and being in a relationship with them are two different things. You can do them together you can also do them separately.

It's reactionary to being hurt in some way.

There are just as many damaged women out there as there are men.

They all think they can change the guy.

Or they think that crazy b******* is somehow something that they want

My twin brother is coming over on Friday to play video games. It's the only thing we can do together without fighting since he got into TRP...I just don't know to interact with him anymore.

I never understood why neglect = love in the TRP philosophy.

It just goes completely against logic and common sense. You get out of a relationship what you put into it.

My brother lost his job and his girlfriend and a lot of friends over the TRP stuff.