the sunrise isn't on the earth

but all thoselines converge on teh equator

no that's not true

it rises directly east for every location, not the equator

no we see it in the eastern sky

not on the equator

the lines drawn on google earth are erroneos

why do you keep saying that

we don't all see the sunrise there at the equator

we see the sunrise in the EASTERN sky

it rises in teh eastern sky, for everyone

not over the surface of the earth, on the equator

it shows it in teh eastern sky, not the way you describe it

maybe i'm looking at the wrong ideo

In that video he says the sun is right over teh line, where it clearly isn't@jeremy

the lines are just erroneous, they're not straight east

they're tangent to east, at the start point

gsus, how

the video is clearly wrong

Let's do rockets in vacuum next time

@Savashtan1 go on 24/7

@The Gwench how does flat earth explain drop of the horizon with altitude?

@The Gwench But it does, you can verify this yourself

wtheck

i can prove it

https://steemit.com/science/@kerriknox/horizon-drop-the-easiest-most-definitive-way-to-prove-the-curvature-of-the-earth

take a theodolite , make a measurement on the ground, then up high on a mountain

easy

@AstralSentient how long have you been into this

@Citizen Z Theodolites don't measure distance they measure angles

meters is not a unit of angle

meters is a unit of distance, not angle

degrees is a unit of angle

not distance, angle though they can measure anything in their view

what if i have one that doesn't measure distance at all, just angles

then it's distance rating doesn't matter

Can i measure teh angluar distance between the sun and moon?

so if something is more than 600 meteres away it's invisible to the theodolite/

I think you don't understand what a theodolite is

you're looking at a model that has a feature for distance measurement, whcih is an add on

why wouldn't it be accurate

it's still an object in view, so why can't you measure its angular size

You don't nkow what the specs mean

you're looking at one with an add on

i'm talking about regular theodolites that dont' measure distance, only angles

in disatnce ya, but not in angle

sure i'll show you a regualr theodolite taht measure angle

one taht doesn't even have a distance measuring add on

https://www.engineersupply.com/theodolites.aspx

A theodolite doesn't measure distance anyway

and it doesn't only work for objects within a certain distance

if you can see the object you can measure teh angle between it and somethign else

How did the mayans measure teh angle between teh sun and moon? are those closer than 600m?

https://www.laserinst.com/ne-100-construction-theodolite-10-accuracy/

^nothing about distance limitation

http://s3.microsurvey.com.s3.amazonaws.com/support/Knowledgebase/stderr/Din18723.pdf

^accuracy stated in terms of angle, not distance

He's talking about theodolites that have laser range feastures

Which is an add on

so how was it detected at the same height as teh source, over 40km? wouldn't the earth hae to be curving up for that to happen?

@Human Sheeple so using a laser to measure for flatness is flawed

b/c the laser itself is not a flat reference

@The Gwench horizon drops with altitude still,

i just proved it

you ignored it

@Human Sheeple we understand the magnitude of that effect, no need to do all that

@Human Sheeple so does that prove teh earth is concave?

Models are part of scientific method

@Human Sheeple Lol you're wrong, how do you make predictions

that's part of teh scientific method

Anything predictive about a hypothesis is a model

some are more complicated than others

@Human Sheeple wrong again

how can you be so wrong abou something so simple?

not a religino, just part of scientific method that makes a testable prediction

sure atmosphere causes distortion of images taht's true

but we know all the math for that

@Human Sheeple can i use wikipedia as a source too?

Sure I can : @Human Sheeple Types of experiment
Experiments might be categorized according to a number of dimensions, depending upon professional norms and standards in different fields of study. In some disciplines (e.g., psychology or political science), a 'true experiment' is a method of social research in which there are two kinds of variables. The independent variable is manipulated by the experimenter, and the dependent variable is measured. The signifying characteristic of a true experiment is that it randomly allocates the subjects to neutralize experimenter bias, and ensures, over a large number of iterations of the experiment, that it controls for all confounding factors.[14]

your own source refutes your understanding of experiment

@Human Sheeple that's two differetn models

one of those matches observations, yours does not

@Human Sheeple what is the cause of snell's lawe

@Human Sheeple gravity was proven in teh same way as 8

@Human Sheeple then you started posting other garbage

@Human Sheeple the horizon droppoing can't be accounted for by atmospheric disturbacnes, b/c those are understood and are too low

atmosphere makes things appear higher than reality not lower

see atmospheric lensing and superior mirage

it an go either way : https://www.eoas.ubc.ca/courses/atsc113/sailing/met_concepts/10-met-local-conditions/10f-optical-phenomena/

@Human Sheeple

but we never see the horizon RISE above eye level with altitude

so it can't be atmospheric effects, QED checkmate

@Human Sheeple

@Human Sheeple i just proved you wrong that, that's always the case

it can go both ways

see the link i posted, you just ignored it, it can go either way

@Human Sheeple you're intellectually lazy and intellectually dishonest

@Human Sheeple nice comeback, how doyou explain that what I posted refutes your claim?

@Human Sheeple THat's what you did

you said it only bends upwards, but i proved that wrong