Black Monday had a pretty good turnout, but very little came of it in the following weeks. Only after Lauren's doccie and Afriforums US visit did the farm murder issue get international traction. I guess one could attribute Black Monday as a starting point but not directly

@Apollo sorry I tagged you by mistake 😳

It is a combination of things, agree that EWC caused a lot of it. However Black Monday was before that was it not? But EWC brought Lauren here, must have played a big part to Willem starting his channel etc. Youtube vids/channels, including Renaldo, Willem, Ernst, Starbird, Caracal etc flows over to Twitter and both have international reach.

Black Monday possibly showed how much support there is to appose farm murders and EWC. Not that it makes much of a difference as it is linked to EWC support wise and awareness wise. I am not sure why the video does not show how Afriforum's visit rather got them the interview, as this is actually what happens. I guess it does not have as much effect vs saying it was due to Black Monday.

@Sheamus yes I agree, cant deny that.

Good debates on both sides of the fence creates awareness of any topic. The BIG thing that video misses is the role Afriforum played. Boer testimonies came after the fact and rode the wave. Look, I support the cause. Not a huge fan of how it is done but if it works it works. I wont make my own Boertestimony video for example, because I am not a boer in the sense of the word and have no special story to tell. My support is more general in nature and more focused on Afrikaner

@Rendier So when is the MMA fight?😀

There is some cringe in most of the testimonies I see, because many of the people doing them call themselves Boere but arent close to being one. Maybe had a uncle who used to farm back in the day or have a wildsplaas somewhere in the family.

For each their own. I would not equate it to Hoer as it is a for a good cause in general although I do get how it can fit. Making a selfie vid of some statement and posting it online no matter what the topic has an element of Hoer to it...but that is just me

@Renaldo making a video to further stir this wont do any good imo. Wait for a video from them and rather do a response. Or just discuss it in the live stream.

Was the Rene that commented in the live chat on @Rendier s chat, the real Rene (Willem)?

Ok, because if it is the one I am thinking of I lost the respect I had. She made some childish insults aimed at you

I only watched the replay so couldnt comment but for some reason no one took her on. Made me think maybe it is a fake account and not her. Or people just dont want to take on her pretty face.

@luarynne ill have to think which live stream it was. It was about 3 weeks ago will see if I can find it. Might take a while...

@Laurynne Gouws it was on @Rendier s 29th August live chat that Rene was on. She still bragged that she is not wasting het time talking to small fry people like Renaldo, because she will be on FOX

https://youtu.be/E8l_J1w9MdI

Looking forward to the live chat tonight

@Rendier what about having Daan on for a live chat/debate?

@Rendier how the 35k number for farmers are derived at is very important like you stated. If a farmer living outside Calvinia on a farm with his wife and three children, plus his mother in law counts as only 1 towards that 35 000, and the farmer and his wife and one child is murdered, then either you have to increase the 35k to also include the full family (on average multiply by 3.5 for example), or you can only count the murder as 1 murder.

However, Ernsr made a good point that almost 80% of all murders are social fabric crimes, or put differently due to domestic violonce or people being killed by someone they know (either family/friend/someone who wronged them). On the other hand farm murders are almost exlusively committed by perps unknown or unrelated to the victim. If you take this into account, whatever per capita number you get to by increasing the 35k, must be compared to a normalised "non fabric murder rate" of closer to 10 or 15.

There is no way of denying that farm murders are disproportional and a big problem. Just because the people advocating against farm murders might tend to skew or over exaggerate figures, or put added emotion/drama into it does not make it less of a problem. This is where I think Renaldo is getting bogged down. Also if "the right" keeps harping about farm murders, it becomes a "us vs them" scenario (meaning Afrikaner vs the rest of SA, put in black if you like). Also not necessarily a good thing if you are supposed to feel sorry about everything else such as white priviledge etc.

Iemand gaan daar moet gesiggie was....

Hi. My name is Stefan and this one time, when I was bored, I checked out René's FB.

/dowload gou Instagram...

Is sy baie "aktief" op IG?

Nog nooit die behoefte gesien vir Instagram nie

If anyone is an admin to the voice chat, I think I have been permanently muted because the last time my mic was on it must have caused a noise. Would aprreciate if you can unmute me for whenever I want to join

Sy is pragtig. Die laaste Renaldo live chat waar sy in die comments was was bietjir n downer vir my though

Regarding voice chat: I used my mobile phone as is. Do youbrecommend using earphones and a mic instead?

Ah Ok. I was on always on. So my mic probably pics up the other people talking

Mag ek vra wat is die besigheidsplan?

Kan ek n presentation kry?

Of het die memes dit reeds gedoen?

I am definitely perma muted in chat. Can someone please unmute me? I wont say anything I promise. Just want to know I can say something if I want.

Voice chat yes

Ok

Cool thanks. My mike is open when I unmute now

This season of Suits is pretty good. Better than I expected

Custom memes are 100% apparently

Left left left, grab!

Het nou die dag GIFs op whatsapp agtergekom. Life changed

Yes?

Cheers guys

Net so stukkie gekyk, sal hom later vanaand kyk want dit het na n goeie gesprek gelyk