Lol I can never tell these days

Lol

That's how we felt when the Bernie people stayed home last time.

Oh, I'm a Democrat, btw.

Lmfao

Watchin the Sky News, mate?

I agree with both statements lol

*sketchy. (Murican For dodgy)

Journalism is unmarketable. It's devolved into fiefdoms.

You're angular or you perish as a journalist nowadays.

I'm sure there are pockets of unbiased journalism somewhere but those would only be regarded as some kind of trap to smuggle in nefarious subtext. That's how bad it is.

Hyper-tribalism and hyper-cynicism

I don't know who Greenwald is.

Lol really

I feel like we're polluting the election chat. Maybe General Chat would be appropriate.

So yeah, I don't watch tv and don't follow conspiracy theories at all.

Lol me neither. I have one but it's not even plugged in for years.

Same @Ford

We moved because we screened off topic.

Careened

I feel like there is some secret libertarian lair chat in which people are frolicking and I'm not welcome. Lol

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No one here gets offended who didn't come in offended. Lol

Well, you're in the right place for them. I find their ideas refreshing, albeit simple, from my uninitiated perspective. It's interesting.

Is it what was going into the legal count or what was being reported to the media?

People do seem to be conflating the two as official claims. I imagine the election system is more sophisticated than that.

That's badass. Unthinkable not so long ago.

Expected

Nullifying votes people cast in good faith on reasonably accepted authority sounds like exactly what this country needs.

Because those 6 votes are the difference. Trump is taking Pennsylvania, Georgia and N. Carolina. It will be a tremendous comeback victory. A victory like the world has never seen. No one has ever had a victory like his victory.

Id someone takes my votes away because some poll watcher doesn't pass muster, we're going to have a problem.

Absolutely. Lock them up for that. Also, demonstrate that the are both a felon *and* have committed some kind of vote counting malfeasance and lock them up for that too.

I agree that any random person who wants to birddog the process should just show up and walk in, especially if they have an agenda. If we really think that through, what could go wrong?

@Michele411 Those 'dumps' were fake news.

Voter fraud not only has to be attempted (which is not established) but also has to work, in order for it to be a problem. All I'm seeing is that desperation doesn't seem to make people *less* credulous. Quite the opposite, as should be expected.

That's with AZ.

Which is still contested.

According to Sky News it is, apparently. Lol

@realz which part of it isn't part of the plan?

Okie doke.

That typo had no effect on the operative vote tally. They thought of stuff like typos.

The entire Republican party is aware of the claims you are entertaining. This is not being perpetrated on you in a vacuum. Do you think that if there is any validity, they will just let it go? Use your heads.

You would have to believe that actual sitting Republican politicians are simply ignoring all of these election irregularities, the governing administration included. Is it possible that you might be overreacting to things which might not all be true? Just possible?

Yes, define your way out of a point you should clearly understand. That's fine. Then the serving Republicans are useless and you've already lost. Congratulations.

Important people from both sides are watching. What any particular media outlet displays is not the gospel.

@Doc Then just say that. I don't see any good coming from insisting that the poor Republican voters are being victimized with no advocates.

I do not recognize an element of ridicule and I do not feel especially provoked. Although, watching things willfully spiral out of control is difficult, particularly when suppression of dissenting opinions is constantly conflated with censorship by precisely the same people who are so upset right now.

Agreed.

Any result that isn't a Trump victory might take a while. It's a double bind that was sowed several months ago.

We knew up front that mail in votes would be mostly democrat. Undermining them beforehand appears to have been a successful tactic.

@Nick Corona I agree. I also think that anyone perpetrating fraud also agrees. That's why I think it's fake news.

@Gypsy_Warlord You are certainly welcome to believe it's a scam. I disagree.

If they were rigging it, they did a really bad and incomplete job.

No one covers everything. It's literally impossible.

It would have to come from an authority, not an anecdotal fire hose of people just saying stuff. People say a lot of things. I could make a video right now claiming anything for either side, post it on twitter and both would be accepted, based on whose narrative it suits. My standards of evidence are higher than that. Put it in a court room and I'll watch. Otherwise, sorry.

When it goes to court, I'll listen.

Correct. Exactly.

Agree

Leonard French is a patent lawyer. Why would he have covered Rittenhouse?

Lol ok I see

A lot of these guys veer out of their lane. Their professional credibility is often predicated upon whether people like what they're saying. I like the ones who tell you up front that it's not their field and they hedge. They should also be able to present a tenable counter-argument to their opinion once in a while imo.

Probably so. I'm more concerned when they present themselves as experts in a particular because they can read legalese and cherry pick case law.

I like Rob. His politics are warped but he is at least able to articulate counterpoints to his own. A lot of guys either can't or don't care to take the time.

Legal Eagle is also one dimensional. Can't argue against himself. That's big for me.

How could they be? I thought all the criminals were running amok.

Apologies. It's robotic for me.

They have certainly rebranded themselves that way...but I think we are polluting the Rittenhouse chat. I take partial blame.

Bite your tongue. Lawyers don't care about the money.

Lmao

You were fine until then? Thicker skin than me, for sure.

My polarization meter broke long ago.

Except they won't die. We'll just have parallel systems and people will continue to caricature their opposition.

The caricatures aren't reality though. The echo chambers amplify themselves and we are seeing the front side of the consequences as we speak.

I disagree. That affords itself no meaningful counter-argument, I reckon.

Do you think I'm a CCP operative? Some people literally think that. (I'm not) That's what tribalism does.

Lol

@realz Like I said, In have no counter-argument but intuitively disagree. I use none of those platforms. I got Discord specifically for this channel.

And with that, I take my leave.

If you have already decided it's fraud, the die is cast.

Also, individual credulity doesn't seem sufficient to shift the burden of proof.

Lol he wants an answer

I think he means actual Ford.

@FSX239 I agree. I think people have absorbed things and calmed down a bit because of it. There is much less tension in here tonight.

What, exactly, is the claim about watermarks?

That sounds like a not entirely bad idea.

I know a couple people whose kids know Kyle. It's a mixed bag of feedback on character.

Yes, that was my point. But it seems like people who don't know him have very stark opinions about his character and motives.

You can come and go as you please. It's always on but people might not be here.

Yessir. Exactly.

Only a handful seem to be in discord during the stream. I don't know why.

I just found out about it this week and I've been a YouTube subscriber for a long, long time.

@Avalon yeah it's like those but more sophisticated, apparently. Tech isn't my forte. Lol

This and YouTube are all I have and I didn't have this until a few days ago.

What would you call It? I'm so not up to speed.

The YouTube chat is unwieldy by design. Don't feel bad.

Voip?

Nice. Totally new to me. Thank you!

If you're on a phone, hold your finger on it.

When it required permission to record, I clenched.

Hahaha