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I'm doing pretty well. I'm still trying to decide how I'll spend my Halloween..
Yeah, it really sucks how much this pandemic has been ruining the holidays
I'm curious, what makes you say that? It seems like the infection rate is on the rise, if anything
I don't actually think that the reason people talk about Covid is entirely due to the election, though
She works on a covid floor? Why does she call it the "election infection"?
This sounds intriguing, I'm curious to learn more
That's strange. I wonder why that would be
I understand you're saying that masks are bs, I'm just not sure why masks wouldn't work when there are studies that appear to indicate that masks (slightly) reduce transmission rates
Ah, so surgical masks would work much better then?
Yeah it's pretty absurd how many people there are that completely miss the point like that
I think people should wear masks when possible but I absolutely agree that some people go way too far with it. Like the California governor who said that you need to wear your mask "in between bites" while eating food
I don't think it's good that there's such a heavy stigma against people who don't wear a mask either. I know a few people with severe asthma or other serious medical problems where wearing something like a mask that restricts their breathing would only harm them much more, and yet even with an official exemption they get insulted and screamed at as they go out in public
The only reason why I suspect Biden will win is because Allan Lichtman (the guy who has accurately been predicting elections for decades without ever having been wrong yet) says Biden will win, but honestly it’s super up in the air this time around
Did your boyfriend provide evidence, an explanation, etc? Does he have political experience to back that up or is it just a guess?
I will say though, I will be **really** interested in seeing what will happen if Trump loses. With the way he keeps implying that he won’t accept the election results, I’m wondering what he’s thinking honestly.
Is that graphic (of the red/blue states) accurate to the projections for the 2020 election?
Because if so, then that's really interesting
New York state is almost always blue (historically speaking), so I would be surprised if NY goes red this time
The thing that sucks about the electoral college is that if you live in a state that always goes one way and you're the opposite, then your vote is basically meaningless
@Kevin_the_wise I don't understand, what is "all over" if Biden wins?
@The Red Elephant How would the country be "over"?
I still feel like Biden is (slightly) more likely to win, though honestly I don't have a major preference either way
That's true actually. I feel like a lot of the left-wing voters are split because most of them don't like Biden either. It's possible a lot of them will vote for third-party candidates or just not vote at all, which of course will really only help Trump
So honestly it's a toss-up. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump won
I'm not exactly a democrat myself, but to be fair, none of the Democrats I know actually "hate" the country, they just don't like Trump and think there are better choices for the president.
I'm actually really surprised that Biden is winning in Georgia, I thought Trump had that state for sure
Fair. It looks like Kentucky's votes have been finalized though?
I don't understand Vermont's results still
"Vermont is called with 0% reporting"
I mean, it's Vermont, of course they're going blue, but really?
TRUMP HAS WON HIS SECOND STATE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
West Virginia goes to Trump. He's now winning 13-3
The numbers for all the different counties probably haven't been fully updated yet
If Trump wins Florida though, then Biden's in trouble
If Biden wins Florida, then he wins the election
I don't know why or how, but Texas is blue apparently
That's a little dramatic, don't you think?
What's wrong with you guys lol
You know Texas could still swing back the other way, right?
It hasn't been officially called yet
So what are you going to do if Biden wins?
AdorableDeplorable: It's because not all the county votes have been fully updated yet. Give it a few minutes and it will make more sense.
Relax. I promise you the country won't end no matter who wins, we don't need to go to civil war over this
Nothing you're saying makes sense dude
No one ever said anything about selling the US to China or putting nazis in charge of the police
We're not going communist, don't worry.
Again, it's not something that you realistically need to worry about
I'm mostly indifferent. I think this whole thing is super entertaining, but I'm not actually worried about either candidate winning. Biden winning won't lead us into a socialist society, and Trump winning won't lead to genocide
Again, the Democrats won't take your guns away, I promise
Okay, that's a fair point, I'll give you that
I just feel like that's far from being the country's biggest concern right now (which is part of the reason why I really don't like Biden)
I'm not trying to cover for the Dems *specifically*, I just feel like you guys are overreacting a bit here
Why do you think the US will go communist if Biden wins?
(btw if any of you guys are interested in having an actual discussion, I'm 100% against communism for the record)
I'm not okay with it at all, I just don't think it's something that's likely to happen
I am against communism, but for all you guys' concerns about the country going communist if Biden wins, I'm just not seeing a lot of proof
Two countries working together doesn't mean they're the same country. The US being allied with China doesn't mean that the US will automatically adopt China's mode of government. It's simply not a logical thing to conclude.
That said, I agree that Biden's tax plans are absolutely shit
For the record, the first amendment allows you to say whatever you want without being censored directly by the United States government. It doesn't excuse you from being rude to people, nor does it prevent Discord servers like this one to set their own rules about what is allowed to be said.
I haven't muted anyone, nor would I ever mute anyone.
No? I just mentioned it once. You're the one who's taking issue with everything I say for some reason
It's not over until it's over
If it makes you feel any better, Texas, Florida, and Pennsylvania are all starting to turn in favor of Trump
Weren't you super confident earlier that Trump would win in a landslide?
Well, someone was saying that a lot over the past few days
If Trump wins, they're going to try and make abortion illegal. Rights are going to be taken away from people either way.
Biden's in the lead again, though just barely
Please don't kill anyone swiggity. And yeah, this whole election does look pretty suspicious right now
I'm in another Discord server that is somewhat Democrat-dominated and they're saying that they just hope Trump gets assassinated if he wins
This was expected to happen though. Most of the people who voted by mail were liberals anyway
The only way Trump can possibly win now is if he can get either Wisconsin or Nevada, which is looking very unlikely
What does "is has declared" mean
He hasn't said anything like that on his Twitter
There's still a chance Trump could win
Yeah Red Elephant where are your sources coming from?
Bruh literally the headline of that article goes against what you're saying.
It says that Biden's campaign is *preparing to eventually* declare presidency, it doesn't say that he's declared the presidency already.
There is a huge difference dude
So far it's going to Biden though
How the hell are people getting their hands on these, though?
New theory: Biden will win, but Trump will argue that the election was rigged by the Democrats. Because of videos like this, those claims will hold up in court and Trump will be declared the president for the next four years.
Biden has Michigan, Trump has no chance of taking it now.
This entire election rests on Nevada now, which is basically guaranteed to go blue by this point
It looks like Biden's won the election
Probably, but look at the numbers - a recount won't do jack when Trump's and Biden's numbers are tens of thousands of units apart
I'm positive that a recount in Michigan won't change anything.
I'm sure you're right about that, but a recount won't uncover the voter fraud
The fraud is something that needs to be dealt with separately
I love how all of Trump's tweets are being instantly flagged by Twitter for spreading false information
I've been searching around and it doesn't seem like there's actually any specific evidence of fraud
It's just speculation based on all the mail votes for Biden
But really, that shouldn't be surprising. Even weeks ago, it was easy to predict that the mail votes would be mainly for Biden, since most of the people who voted by mail are Democrats
He probably just needs some alone time to cope
If he's that upset about the election results then maybe he just needs some time to reflect - I'd leave him be for a bit
I doubt you have anything to worry about, unless by "drunk" you mean "dangerously drunk to the point where he can't even walk properly"
AP finally called Michigan. Biden just needs one more state to win, and it looks like that's Nevada.
Yeah Deplorable - he probably just needs to think to himself for a while.
She just said that he definitely wouldn't lie to her lol
We don't know for sure they "cheated" yet.
Actually Deplorable, I've been following that story and they already corrected the error
It was a mistake that's been fixed now
And either way, that's still not really evidence of fraud. It's been obvious for a while now that most of the people who voted by mail are liberal
So it was fairly predictable that there would be a huge spike in Biden votes once they started counting the mail-in ballots
The story you're talking about was fact-checked and found to be false
Trump backed up the conspiracy, but there's no **legitimate** evidence to support it
I was just about to link that Nojogo, heh
Yeah, that claim is false too
Yeah, aside from a few isolated videos here and there of idiots burning bags of ballots (i.e. the one posted earlier), there's so far been no evidence at all of any sort of game-changing Democratic conspiracies
Yeah read the article Deplorable, it explains that situation
My bad, I wrote the wrong thing
But yeah, they explained that in the article
The jump happened, but it was a mistake that's been corrected
But yeah, Biden's pretty much got this in the bag
Not according to Associated Press
None of us know the truth yet
Why shouldn't they be accepted
They've been accepted since the 1800s
That's still a lead, even if it's a small one
Trump's definitely not getting AZ, there's still a chance at him getting NV though
Are there 600k votes left? That's not a terrible chance then
You're not doing a very good job of sleeping
I wonder what his concession stand speech would even look like
The voter gap in Georgia's starting to close, Trump's starting to risk losing the state
It's still really close tega. Biden just needs one more state called for him and the election's over, while Trump needs to win literally everything on the board.
I wouldn't say "obvious" fraud, but we'll see.
That doesn’t sound off at all. Trump has been telling his voters not to vote by mail, while Biden has been telling his voters to vote mainly by mail. Of course the mail ballots would heavily favor Biden.
We discussed this yesterday. Those numbers were due to a systematic glitch, which is why Michigan’s website had different numbers. The mistake has been corrected. It’s not worth worrying about.
That’s not what I said at all @WarlordStarfire . I don’t think anyone’s above fraud necessarily, I just have yet to see any **convincing** evidence that fraud has taken place here.
I’m referring to a more widespread scandal. Yeah, I’ve seen some of the videos of what you’re talking about, and yes, that’s absolutely egregious; but those are just isolated incidents from morons. What I’m talking about is the notion that there’s some widespread hacking of some sort being conducted by Biden’s campaign.
The people who keep saying things like “Biden just got 184k votes out of nowhere!”
I do hope that the guy who was burning ballots gets sent to prison
For what it’s worth, how would a recount help, anyway? If the problem is that ballots are being outright burned, then a recount shouldn’t be able to recover those votes, right?
Nevermind, I just looked it up - the viral video of ballots being burned was a fake.
I just looked up the Sharpie thing too, and I fail to see your point - those votes in Arizona weren’t invalidated either
I’m looking up all of the things you listed and none of them seem to hold any water
So I stand by what I said - there doesn’t yet seem to be any evidence of serious voter fraud (yet).
There are too many this time around
If every single one of the millions of ballots had to be counted by hand, it would be months before we found out who the winner is
Trump can still win, but it certainly won't be winning "big".
But Trump’s losing the popular vote though
Democrats haven’t been trying to get rid of guns, they just want them to be regulated more efficiently.
“AR’s and semi-autos” doesn’t include non-automatic rifles though?
I feel like I’m fine with automatic guns being restricted though. Maybe not the semi-autos, but I have strong reservations about whether or not the public really needs machine guns and crap.
Then maybe those should be regulated too. The amount of civilian shootings that occur in the US is still pretty bad, and obviously some sort of policy change is needed to rectify that.
What do you call the guns that need you to chamber each round? Or the ones that can't be modified to be automatic?
I'm not entirely sure myself what I'm describing, I'm just talking about guns in general which a normal person can't fire twenty times in under a minute
I hope it's a good background check now, especially when we have cases like the Parkland shooting where the guy bought his gun legally and passed whatever background check was used then.
No, I just care about evidence and facts
I don't like Biden either, but spreading misinformation around about voter fraud doesn't help anyone.
What are you talking about? The post I linked had nothing to do with news.
It mentioned ABC, but they were the ones who made that graph that conspiracy theorists are spreading around as evidence of fraud
ABC posted that graph, and ABC themselves denounced it, correcting your mistake. Are you saying that ABC first made the graph to help Biden, and then for some reason ... went back on that?
Then they wouldn't have posted it in the first place.
Look, I'll accept that there's a chance that you could be 100% right, but until there's proof I'm not buying into it.
Completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about Jacob Blake, or riots, I'm talking about the current election.
Do you understand how debates work? You don't just make irrelevant accusations about your opponent. That doesn't do anything to help your argument.
In an argument, disregarding what your opponent is saying on the basis of an irrelevant character trait is an "ad hominem", which is a logical fallacy. Your argument is weak.
Again, that's a debate for another time. I'm sure that a lot of news is fake news, but how do you know what news is fake and what isn't?
If you don't believe any of the media, then where are you getting your sources saying that fraud is taking place?
I've only seen one video of that, and the specific video I saw was found to be a fake, so..
I can't find any articles other than that one talking about that. I've found a few that are blatant copy-pastes, but none of them explain where that information or data is coming from, and the only source they're citing is a Twitter post that was proven to be a fake screenshot.
I'd suggest checking your sources before you pedal them as evidence of a mass conspiracy against the democratic process.
If there's evidence to support that something is fake, then yes.
I don't recall saying that I voted for Biden?
They aren't, unless you'd like to provide some evidence that hasn't been debunked already.
Those two things don't contradict each other..? Yes, the United States is a Republic, but voting is still considered a democratic process.
There's definitely a chance that Trump wins
The voter gap in Georgia is getting really tight though
If Georgia doesn't get called within the next few hours then Biden will very likely take that state
That's not really true, a lot of red states were called almost immediately when it was obvious they'd win. Georgia's far more contentious this time around
The Georgia gap has closed so much that the voter difference between Trump and Biden there is now less than 3,000
Biden's catching up really quickly there
Possibly until tomorrow morning? I feel like we'll know the fate of Georgia before tomorrow at least
If there are 16k votes left to count Georgia then I absolutely don't think that Trump will hold onto it much longer
I have a very neutral feeling
Chase you're looking at the wrong things
The number of counties is irrelevant, the total number of votes in the state is what's important
And he's doing far worse compared to 2016 in that respect
I feel like it's pretty safe to say that Biden's won this
Yeah that's true actually. If the Democrats really rigged the election then why didn't they rig the Senate race as well? In terms of control over the country, having the Senate is arguably far more useful than the presidency.
Only video evidence I know of is that Virginia ballot-burning video, but as far as I know that was a fake/troll video
Trump now only has 1902 more votes in GA than Biden. He's about to lose it
Trump will definitely try to make one happen for sure
But even if it doesn't go in his favor, I have a feeling he'll still refuse to accept the results
In other news, Putin is resigning
Trump can't win without literally everything on the board
But now he's losing everything
Recounts 100% won't make a difference when the numbers of voters for each candidate are tens of thousands apart
A recount *could* make a difference in Georgia, where the gap is only around a thousand apart, but the gap will probably only continue to rise if things go the way they're going now
Trump 100% will refuse to accept the results if he loses anyway, so if he does form his coup then he very well could stay in the presidents' seat regardless
Link the videos, please - I don't think you're a liar at all, I think you're just a little mistaken
I also don't even know what you're talking about, I don't see what Obama has to do with this?
I'm honestly doing my best to listen to what you're saying, but 1) a lot of your messages are difficult to understand through the faulty grammar, and 2) you keep linking Twitter posts rather than actual sources.
You've been mentioning videos of Biden saying something about Obama or whatever, but what does that have to do with anything?
Not my point. You don't need to write like a professional, but it at least needs to be possible for me to understand your fundamental points. It isn't.
Tweets aren't valid sources, and without context for those other photos/images I can't really produce an informed opinion on them.
Also, would you please relax with the petty insults and strawman arguments? As I've said before, I'm 100% willing to have a respectful conversation with you, which is why I haven't been blatantly insulting you and ignoring the substance of your messages. All I ask is that you show me the same amount of basic respect.
I was working, sorry. I only just now got Deplorable's ping
Yeah, I heard about that already @video
The officials responsible for performing the calculations addressed those concerns days ago, and said they would be going through the votes very carefully to make sure that similar errors and typos can be found and corrected
How is that a joy kill? If they correct the votes and fix any mistakes they find, that's a good thing.
Very interesting! It looks like things are going to keep going for a while longer for sure
Trump needs to win every state in contention right now. For most of the states that looks fine, but PA, NV, and GA are trouble for him
Just not extraordinarily likely
What Nojogo said. I don't like the thought of "President Biden" either, but it's clear that the election is over. If we can remain civil and intelligent, we'll all be able to get through this, I promise.
I'm not too concerned about us falling into communism, since I've seen little proof that Biden wants to bring us into communism
Nor have I heard him say that he wants to get rid of churches
I'm no spy, and I'm not a Democrat either. I'm just here for civil political conversation, that's all.
Maybe, but if it makes you feel any better: It's looking like the Republicans will win the Senate. Don't forget that the Senate has an enormous amount of power as well, so that alone will help to prevent any sort of communist regime the president tries to enact (again, assuming that's what he wants).
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