@Zuluzeit They have to take psyche profiles here to get a badge.

I had a friend that retired to Az, Bizby? I think. When he joined the KCPD in 1957, the only training he got was being put in uniform and pointed at the saloons/bars. He told me he thought he was going to get beat to death before he made it off probation.

@osok I disagree. Money can solve problems but it cannot fix issues.

I remember in college, studying the Myers-Briggs Behavioral Typology, that Police, School Teachers, and Politicians were like 85% all from the same category: Sensor-Feeler.

I have had fun with it over the years.

Polarities?

INTP here - very very N.

Extrovert-Introvert//Intuitor-Sensor//Thinker-Feeler//Processive (Means)-Judgmental (Goals)

In physical anthropology no human site ever excavated where there is evidence of 15 or more persons has been found that didn't demonstrate signs of violence. I think, with a 400,000 year record of little to no change in that arena we can count on Mr. Gruler to be gainfully employed for life.

@osok If I remember right, the best job an ESTP could have is that of action character in a video game. 😉

Maybe, I tend to think people don't really change.

I think we missed it when B. Clinton got elected. We should have had Senator Harkin. He was incredibly Trumanesque.

I remember Harkin slamming his fist on the podium and telling the crowd,"Don't you people get it? I am on your F***ing side!" One lady standing nearby said,"Well, such language, He is certainly not Presidential material. We need someone more like Truman again." I was too stunned to respond to that.

Senator Tom Harkin, Granger senator from Iowa.

@osok I don't think we change. We might grow up, but each child upon arrival is the invasion of civilization of by a barbarian.

Hmmm. I will have to think on that.

My calligraphy teacher was dyslexic and left handed - back in the ancient days before there were fonts.

Well, I mean really. I can see the issue. Doesn't matter what way one turns a spoon - it remains a spoon. But you take b, p, d, and q and every time you turn it it becomes something else.

just don't use global replace. I had to grade a paper once in ethics where the student used global replace every time the computer wanted to know if that was the spelling she meant. So, she used one word: murder, for the murder, the act of murdering, the murderer, and the murderee. It is very difficult to understand the sentence: Murder murder the murder.

I was a teaching assistant in college as a paid position to help cover my tuition.

My teacher was Merrill Proudfoot author of the book: "Diary of a Sit In". I still have the copy of Plato's Republic that he gave me as a grad present.

Aw, sorry didn't see it. Lockean Principle isn't from a text - but a summation. All justice is individual. All just principle begins with the security of Inalienable Rights for the individual. Take care of the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves. Take care of the individual, protect their liberty, and the society will take care of itself.

Hobbes, like Plato, occurred at the end of a bloodbath of a civil war. Both created philosophies emphasizing the security of order and centralized authority because of their experience of societal breakdown and violence. Locke occurs in a rare time of peace and prosperity, so his approach is for decentralization. And I haven't taken a course in 30 years, so running on the conclusions that came out of them.

My, there were school books I could not wait to dump. For example, my accounting text book was from Arthur Andersen - the accounting firm for Enron.

@osok Certainly. As a history major I have been calling this an uncivil war now for 6 years.

Had fun in school. Speaking of taking back. Met the guy that invented the Happy Meal for McDonalds. His ad contract for that was 1 penny for every happy meal sold - ever.

It makes sense in Latin - not so much in English.

Nope.

The guy came in as a guest to one of my marketing classes.

Maw still around?[

Well, I found my ability to think clearly improved greatly once I was no longer pole vaulting out of bed in the morning. Age helps. Now that I am "Walter", things seem much more clear.

Some time I will have to toss in my posit on why the Left cannot be American. Liberals, in a Classical Lockean way can be, but not Leftists.

I was lucky to go to a public high school that taught classical Latin as a foreign language option.

@Zuluzeit If it fits:

Conservatives hold these truths to be self-evident: "We believe that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain Inalienable Rights; that among these rights are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights governments are instituted." And more specifically that all are created equally morally obligated before the law.

1) Leftists do not believe in the individual, but insist on collective merit and demerit, collective enfranchisement and disenfranchisement, and collective reward and punishment on the basis of group identity; on the basis of inherited and immutable characteristics such as the color of one's skin, the genitals with which one is born, the ethnic heritage of the individual, the religious heritage of the individual, etc.

2) Leftists use the "created equal" part to insist on material equality because they do not believe in moral and spiritual equality: that we are equally obligated before the law. Instead they insist we are equally competent and talented; that all persons are of equal worth to society and should be equally compensated for their existence rather than for their efforts.

3) Leftists do not accept a differentiated reality. For them there is only the homogeneity of undifferentiated mundanity: nothing can be sacred, mundane, or profane as differentiated to something else. Leftists cannot therefore accept a sacred endowment which is revealed to become knowledge; which is intrinsic to their humanistic and antitheistic religions/beliefs.

4) Leftists do not accept that rights are Inalienable, but hold them to be alienable at the will of and for the agenda of government. Therefore governments cannot be instituted to secure these rights, but rather are instituted to issue and reclaim allowed privileges at the whim of the Leftist's convenience, and more specifically as needed for them to express their authority.

For the Leftist, the collectivist, persons are assets of the state, of the society, like little worker ants. The government exists to effect: "From each according to his ability to each according to their need". To do this an authority, like a central committee, must determine for each person what their ability is, how to maximize it as a state asset, and how to distribute from its production to the "need". Need is determined by triage, determining who to enfranchise, who to disenfranchise, and who to kill or let die. This is anathema to our national principle, to the American principle, of the sacred inalienable rights secured for the individual.

For US, the conservative American, the government has four functions: 1) To restrain government from the suppression of our inalienable rights in as much as that is humanly possible, 2) To restrain factions, organizations, and individuals from infringing upon the inalienable rights of others, 3) To punish those responsible for violations of the inalienable rights of citizens and lawful residents, whether the offender is a person or a nation, and 4) To assist lawful immigrants and minors to an understanding of what it means to be a citizen with Inalienable Rights and the Inalienable Obligations that come with them.

@osok What sucked for me was changing school 11 times, and moving 27 by the time I was 18.

The Left didn't used to be so Left.

That school changing was one of the reasons I never studied American literature. I always landed in school just as they were starting to study English lit.

@osok I know what you mean. In Jewish logic there is a pattern that means: Although it is impossible what if? So when they were writing the Talmud 1700 years ago one of the questions asked was: Although it is impossible, what if a child were conceived in the belly of a cow and born from the belly of a Jewess? Would they be Jewish. Because they debated that almost 2000 years ago, when invitro fertilization became science, they had an answer as to the status in their religion of persons conceived that way.

For the Left, I am using the Marxist (Communist, Fascist, and Post Modernist).

In my tradition it is both.

I use Left for "far Left" and Liberal for near left.

In the ancient days, there were two creations: 1) Menog, and 2) Getig. The first is the spiritual creation described in Gen. 1:1 through Gen. 2:4. The second is the physical creation for which no time frame is given that is the remainder of Gen. 2.

The problem for Liberals is that they do not know where to draw the line between themselves and the Far Left.

No, Hinduism doesn't really exist, per se. It is a collection of a vast array of local traditional practices on the South side of the Sind (Hind) river. And it began sometime about 8,000 years ago.

The Babylonian Talmud was an effort to understand the Jewish religion in exile following the Third Judeo-Roman war.

Not sure what the last sentence means osok. And I keep wanting to type your name oosik, so if I do by accident sorry.

You are correct. Neither can ever be studied. One cannot remove the DNA from persons to determine what they would be like without the DNA affecting them.

Ok, osok. Do you know what an oosik is?

It is the petrified bone of an ancient male walrus.

They were very popular for use as warclubs among the Inuktitut.

Funny.

And enjoy. I cannot think fast enough on my feet to be a lawyer.

Not a good one anyway.

Cool

I like the intricacy of legal language. Things written to be accurate and not comprehensible.

It might. The versions I use vary depending on to whom I am having the discussion.

Law and scripture were both written chapter and verse in an age when the monarch was head of the church.

I hold that marriage licenses are a violation of the First Amendment.

All licenses of marriage should come only from the religious institution if they so choose.

ROFL You have no idea.

Do you know what Ezekiel Bread is?

Ezekiel bread is based on Ezekiel 4:9. Very healthy stuff. Has to be kept refrigerated at all times because it is a living bread with the enzigms (sp?) still active.

Blessed salt.

Reason I bring up the bread is because that chapter is one of the funniest in the bible to me.

G-d says, "Hey Zeke, I want you to prophesy for me." Ezekiel says, "Ok, what's the deal?" G-d says,"Well, you are going to lay on your side for so many days and turn over and lay on the other side so many day, and while you are doing this you will eat shit." And Ezekiel says,"No. Not happening." So, G-d says,"Well, ok. Tell you what. You can have 7.5 oz of meat and a loaf of bread made like this (gives recipe for Ezekiel Bread)."

Yeah, he isn't the only one. But in fairness, he did tell G-d that he hadn't broken the law yet and wasn't going to start.

Every time I see a ham and cheese bagel it cracks me up. There are just too many ways that is wrong.

Starting with the old recipe for making bagels by hand which takes over 12 hours.

I worked security at a bank for a little while just out of the Army. The vendor would always put ham and cheese bagels with kosher dill pickle flavored potato chips. And I would shake my head at him as he did it. He never did get it.

ROFL

I need I dream of Jeanie to be real and that bottle to belong to me.

Really? Since when does tomato with horn worm DNA in it qualify as not something creepy.

LOL

They put the tomato horn worm DNA in it and the moth thinks the plant is a horn worm so they won't lay eggs on it.

The man or THE MAN?

Do you mean that in the Reggae sense?

ROFL

Well, I sometimes style myself as an orthodox Christian Mystic.

That is somewhat in jest.

My father was Mormon and my mother was Roman Catholic (Cajun style).

There was an Anabaptist minister that the Nazis put in a death camp for being a pacifist.

He died 3 days before the camp was liberated.

Under the edge of his bunk, they found his notes written on what ever scraps of paper he could get.

He had written his feelings about wanting to kill Hitler for the atrocity and trying to find the Love for All he felt was obliged as a Christian. That struggle gave him a dedication to being honest to G-d.

Mormonism isn't what people generally believe about it.

And I came up in the Missouri church, which is very different in practice from the Utah based sect.

During the time in Nauvoo, Ill. the church had many members that became Free Masons. The "magic undies" originated with that group, and it is part of why the church separated into different branches.

I belong to a Restoration branch of the RLDS church.

So, a conservative of the Missouri sect.

Mormonism is not so much dogmatic as it is a religion of praxis. Meaning that once a person has the basics, their path to G-d is largely between them and G-d. But the practices are more consistent.

My sect is "exclusionary" in that we do not allow people to take communion if they are not members. We do not ordain women to priesthood. And we do not allow polygamy even in nations where that is the general practice.

I have never understood wanting to have more than one spouse. Dealing with 1 other person is enough work.

I have always held that Solomon may have been a wise king as a king, but no man is sane that has 1,000 women.