!agree

Isn't the way to discern true rights to ask what you still have when stripped of everything?

Assigning rights too foolhardily restricts freedoms, liberty ought to be the keystone that everything fits around.

I think there is an honest question surrounding healthcare, although this is kinda changing topic.

I wonder is it reasonable to assign a right to healthcare

is it a right in itself or is it an extension of your right to preservation of life.

If you apply the previous maxim, you cannot surely say when you are stripped bare of all privileges that you are owed a right to be treated medically, you are the arbiter of your own ends, and you should be responsible for your own medical care.

Well it follows that you have a right to preserve your own life and that arise in rights of self defence etc. So I would have to argue that there exists no right to receive medical treatment.

Since the onus is on you to resolve that yourself.

The question interests me particularly since I live in the UK where we do have a right to medical treatment.

@JoeNoChill clue is in the name 😏

well that's actually a seperate issue

And I studied both that case and the recent Alfie Evans case

The court rule was far more reasonable than the media makes it out to be

@Wally I don't think Doctors have a positive duty to act though do they?

I think it works better when you are personally responsible for your own treatment

@Blackhawk342 It's not government, but the judiciary.

If I explain the reason why the court ruled the way it did it'll help you understand it a bit better

judiciary is a seperate branch

We call it the separation of powers, you know what I mean right?

The reason the courts ruled the way there did was founded in the Best Interests test, it operates in that anyone with wardship jurisdiction over another, ought to act in the best interests for the ward.

In Alfie Evans case, their parents petitioned to have him flown to Germany or Italy, to receive treatment there. It was put to the court that doing this would cause a great distress and pain to Alfie. Since the treatments offered by the hospitals overseas were no different from the current treatment options available in the UK, the court ruled that it would not be in Alfie's best interest to be transported to Germany or Italy.

You can argue that a court shouldn't be able to make decisions on behalf of the parents, that's reasonable.

That would beg a question of how do we assign wardship at all, why do parents get to decide the fate over autonomous children or incapacitated individuals.

The Charlie Gard scenario was very similar, but I cannot remember the exact events

@Stefan Payne this guy gets it

@JoeNoChill hold on though there's an AZ study that's pretty interesting

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3099992

@Undead Mockingbird Laws are constructs so of course they can be

I don't

I'm British btw

That's a loaded question

Gonna have to try harder than that 😏

I'll save you trouble though, simply because my ancestors did bad things doesn't mean I have anything to be ashamed about or anything to apologise for.

So it is true that the left can't meme

I'm gonna go ahead and add "probable shill" and "maybe bait" to my notes for you

That's okay, there were very high profile cases in the World media, but like I said it was reported on very poorly.

How do I get it so I can post images desu

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/169/802/fa9.jpg

I wont need it on march 29th

good luck finding me 😏

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is there tatsumaki

Yeah it's not here

very sad

I just wanna show off my high level and rep 😏

It's just for posturing on internet points It's nothing necessary

Yeah it doesn't really suit this kind of server to have lots of bots

Yes

https://gyazo.com/c891c2708251fec01df2de6e0557b9b3

Tatsu has it's own servers

I don't know how they make money

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Because it's 100x more crushing for the other person when they lose a debate to someone who is an autistic weeb

I actually wanted to change this avatar, but since it's become associated with me, having used it for such a long time it feels wrong to change it

I don't think that's about anime desu

@jet it's nice but you should edit the image so it isn't cut off like that at the top

@Undead Mockingbird please don't slander me

What bird would you be if you could choose

!rank

@kodec by the definition of drug "a chemical substance that alters the body" yes everything necessarily must be a drug if it reacts with your body in any way

neurotransmitter

your premise of "naturally" here is starting at an illogical standard

How do you differentiate the reaction between a manmade chemical and a naturally occuring chemical

Why would one substance have a different reaction simply because it is naturally occuring

It's semantics so it doesn't matter what word you use, it doesn't matter if something is naturally occuring or synthesized that will have no necessary bearing on the drugs effects in the brain

whether or not it is naturally occurring is irrelevant

Vaccinations moves into the category of greater good

But even here not all vaccines are free

I would have to pay £150 for rabies vaccinations

The problem arises in that you don't want to have an enforced nanny state

like we have here

>whoever posted that study

my name was right there

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