F.Pazuzu

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2019-02-06 16:03:23 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

But the currency won't be based on debt

2019-02-06 16:03:54 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Having a decentralized banking system with different mints and banks competing would yield better results

2019-02-06 16:04:26 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Sound money is the way to go, either precious metal based or crypto based, or both

2019-02-06 16:06:20 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

If you don't have regulation you don't need to handle the different currencies

2019-02-06 16:06:59 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

returning to the mean

2019-02-06 16:07:18 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

the competition between cryptos is a good thing

2019-02-06 16:07:38 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

t. John Maynard Keynes

2019-02-06 16:08:19 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

And if you're reckless in any way, you'll crash and burn

2019-02-06 16:09:18 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

What you mean?

2019-02-06 16:10:49 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

With the fed distorting rates? It was only voluntary inasmuch it people were responding to incentives

2019-02-06 16:12:21 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

There needs to be no regulations

2019-02-06 16:13:03 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

To quote my boy Ronny Paul, end the fed

2019-02-06 16:14:12 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Kill the fed, kill regulations, and let things go their way, it will be painful at first, but quitting drugs and addictions is painful at first and wonderful once life begins to get in order

2019-02-06 16:15:09 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Bro, most interactions you have on a day to day basis are completely voluntary, anarchic if you will

2019-02-06 16:15:40 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

It's not so much social darwinism as much as it is a shift in incentives

2019-02-06 16:17:33 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

And they would only last while someone doesn't do a better job at providing the same service they do more cheaply

2019-02-06 16:18:21 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

I don't think people don't want to be free, but they will cling to other things to tell them how to live - culture, religion, community

2019-02-06 16:18:53 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Safety nets remove the personal responsibility people have in helping those in need within their own community

2019-02-06 16:19:43 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Yeah, they abdicate responsibility because they know someone will help them

2019-02-06 16:19:49 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Which isn't a good thing

2019-02-06 16:20:06 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

It's not for nothing that people against welfare are the ones doing the most charity

2019-02-06 16:20:33 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Sure thing bro, good work

2019-02-06 16:21:32 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Exactly, the removal of personal responsibility does much more harm than good, even if in practice you're handing people stuff to keep themselves alive

2019-02-06 16:43:39 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Oh yeah, they cannot fathom living bearing responsibility

2019-02-06 16:44:00 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Those who depend on safety nets would be the ones who would need the most "rehab"

2019-02-06 17:08:29 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

It's always good

2019-02-06 17:08:35 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Oh yeah

2019-02-06 17:08:47 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

At least a generation's worth of rehab

2019-02-06 19:43:35 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

The alterantive to trade is war

2019-02-07 12:57:05 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

Some people online honest to god believe Mueller is actually on Trump's side and he's the prosecutor he said he would appoint to drain the swamp

2019-02-07 13:14:36 UTC [Subverse #general]  

Well, you could pay a male prostitute to bang a female prostitute and it would still be prostitution, it's the filming that makes it not be prostitution, as far as the law goes

2019-02-07 13:40:01 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

"depends on peoples definitions of collusion" that's the crux of the question, collusion is such a fucking nebulous term that it can be applied to a whole bunch of perfectly innocent shit

2019-02-07 14:07:20 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

buzzfeed is assblasted about that picture

2019-02-07 14:08:05 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/1093287723958394880 to which michael malice gave a great response

2019-02-07 14:10:40 UTC [Subverse #general]  

islam isn't a race, hell it's not even an ethnic religion like judaism or zoroastrianism

2019-02-07 14:11:50 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

i pasted it but forgot to send lmao

2019-02-07 14:18:11 UTC [Subverse #general]  
2019-02-07 14:18:32 UTC [Subverse #general]  

i was gonna say that, it's racism on _their_ part

2019-02-07 14:26:31 UTC [Subverse #general]  

just go nose down and call it a night

2019-02-07 14:51:41 UTC [Subverse #general]  

if i'm not mistaken gays have less than half the rates of dv of het couples

2019-02-07 14:52:27 UTC [Subverse #general]  

one of my best friends for the best part of the last 15 years is a lesbian and i have yet to see her in a relationship that isn't a toxic mess

2019-02-07 14:56:06 UTC [Subverse #general]  

could be, but my experience with my friend and her friends is that often there is a lot of toxicity in lesbian relationships, i know it's anecdotal and my sample is skewed towards that but idk

2019-02-07 14:58:34 UTC [Subverse #general]  

calm down there mgtow

2019-02-07 14:59:24 UTC [Subverse #general]  

i was gonna say that, unreported claims are hard to gauge because they're unreported

2019-02-07 15:00:20 UTC [Subverse #general]  

sure there is, i'm not saying there isn't. but it was through methodology that we got the 1 in 4 rape statistics

2019-02-07 16:14:07 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Economics came first, as economics is the whole of human interactions in which things are traded voluntarily @My Preferred Pronoun Is Sama

2019-02-07 16:15:53 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

@Arch-Fiend "systems where the legitimacy of authority is through raw exertion of power, economy often comes first." i'll need a citation for this. the free and voluntary trade between consenting parts is antithetical to the raw exertion of power as exertion of power is involuntary and aggressive by definition.

2019-02-07 16:16:41 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Putting the interests and desires of those within the confines of the nation-state USA above the interests and desires of those abroad

2019-02-07 16:21:39 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Only if you regulate what can come in and go out

2019-02-07 16:34:06 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

how does that correlate to economics being about the exertion of power?

2019-02-07 16:35:00 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

because the state uses violence to parasite off of those who produce

2019-02-07 16:36:06 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

that problem is not production or the free exchange of goods between people, it's the state using violence to extort them to promote its own agenda

2019-02-07 16:36:26 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

of course there can be means of production

2019-02-07 16:36:56 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

of course there would

2019-02-07 16:37:17 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

if you're alone in an island, and you manage to create tools to produce, you're creating the means of produciton

2019-02-07 16:37:46 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

no state

2019-02-07 16:37:52 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

your body is a means of production

2019-02-07 16:38:12 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

You wouldn't have a state until a group of people band together to extort the others under the threat of violence

2019-02-07 16:38:42 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

The state is parasitical by definition, it doesn't produce anything

2019-02-07 16:39:20 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

It doesn't matter, it's still based on the threat of violence, unless there are no consequences for those who go against the general consensus

2019-02-07 16:39:32 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Of course there can be market without the state

2019-02-07 16:39:50 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

No, @DarKinGate , quite the opposite'

2019-02-07 16:40:07 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

I'm an anarchist

2019-02-07 16:40:40 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

No, because there is no threat of aggression if the trade is being doing voluntarily

2019-02-07 16:40:46 UTC [Subverse #debate]  
2019-02-07 16:41:29 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

trade, market, capitalism, whatever you want to call it, it's the free and voluntary exchange of goods between consenting parts

2019-02-07 16:41:46 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

No one is the state lmao

2019-02-07 16:41:59 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

unless you're louis xiv

2019-02-07 16:42:58 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

the market is simply the name given to the whole of those free and voluntary exchange of goods

2019-02-07 16:43:55 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

yes, there can be production with no market, as in the island example

2019-02-07 16:45:51 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

why is the state above the laws it proposes? why is it wrong for person a to rob person b, but not for the state to rob person a and b?

2019-02-07 16:47:47 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Only insofar as people see others accumulating wealth and want to parasite off of them without producing anything themselves, and they do so under the threat of violence

2019-02-07 16:49:16 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

@Arch-Fiend how do i not understand human nature? the person who produces enough to hire people to voluntarily produce for them ins't leeching off of anyone, or taking advantage, unless you're an actual marxist and believes in the theory of value, which has been thoroughly debunked

2019-02-07 16:49:39 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

What is a financial institution?

2019-02-07 16:50:07 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Source?

2019-02-07 16:50:18 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Source? @Arch-Fiend

2019-02-07 16:50:42 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

The first banks weren't even state sponsored

2019-02-07 16:52:35 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

I'm listening, but you're making a statement and I want a source for that statement. @Arch-Fiend The thing is that historically, ruling classes were not the merchant class, but rather, the warrior class.

2019-02-07 16:53:19 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

If you need sources for whatever I'm saying, please ask and I'll gladly provide

2019-02-07 16:53:45 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

You don't need the state for that

2019-02-07 16:54:14 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Or any financial exchange, even for shit like law

2019-02-07 16:55:19 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

Isn't that what the black market ends up being, ultimately?

2019-02-07 16:55:54 UTC [Subverse #debate]  

They get ugly fast because they end up in war with the government

2019-02-07 18:57:41 UTC [Subverse #general]  

casey natsoc

2019-02-07 20:14:19 UTC [Subverse #general]  

offensive

2019-02-07 20:22:46 UTC [Subverse #bot-commands]  

!rank

2019-02-07 20:33:29 UTC [Subverse #shitposting]  

it's not, i have a script for that on some backup hd, i'll check it out when i get home and upload somewhere

2019-02-07 20:34:10 UTC [Subverse #shitposting]  

i had a client that this kind of effect was their go to effect for a lot of shit so i just automated it

2019-02-11 15:18:33 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

no

2019-02-11 15:19:18 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

it's like forcing someone to be charitable, it defeats the purpose of charity

2019-02-11 16:39:48 UTC [Subverse #general]  

I like how whenever people talk about Bolsonaro, they say he attacks LGBT+ _people_ instead of their activism, which is what he does. I mean, I don't even support the guy nor did I vote for him but it's wild to see how bad the mischaracterization is.

2019-02-11 18:06:26 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

But I thought antifa were anarchists ๐Ÿค”

2019-02-11 18:53:30 UTC [Subverse #general]  

But a huge chunk of South America only thinks they can speak Spanish, but actually speak Portuguese, which is definitely not a Hispanic language

2019-02-11 18:54:12 UTC [Subverse #general]  

That's exactly my point

2019-02-11 18:54:23 UTC [Subverse #general]  

All Brazilians think they can speak Spanish

2019-02-11 18:54:26 UTC [Subverse #general]  

t. Brazilian

2019-02-11 18:55:00 UTC [Subverse #general]  

Keyword there being think, because I speak Spanish and most people's Spanish sucks cojones

2019-02-11 18:55:57 UTC [Subverse #general]  

Romance languages are the heirs of Latin, if I'm not mistaken

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