So as far as I know about Venezuela, +40 servicemen revolted, and according to Gvmnt sources they were incarcerated. Don't think this is an ongoing coup, but could be the start of a full blown civil war, as Juan Guaidó and the National Assembly called for massive mobilization on the 23th, and most likely will openly declare himself president. If that happens we can expect today's revolt to repeat itself.

Another interesting point, over the last weeks the Gvmnt has tried over and over again to aim at external aggressions that can unite venezuelans on their side, from the territorial dispute with Guyana to a recent issue with Ecuador over allegued racism.

Well, I am Chilean, so oddly enough, not a neighbour. But close 😛

@Grimm0175 it feels different now though

I have been watching at venezuela since the 2002 coup and this time it's taken a huge push in a couple of days

Este Gobierno ya cayó (this government has already fallen)

imo, a US intervention would just secure chavism 4.0 to return in a decade, fueled by anti-us sentiments

either stuff needs to happen from Venezuelan Society or Latin American forces

it would, it's already happening, although not as massive and dramatic as in Syria

wow

wasn't aware of that nummber

I suppose this happens when you allow a cult to get into power

it IS a cult

check the BITE model by Stephen Hassan

see how it fits

El Mazo is the 4 hours-long weekly mass

lol

I suppose Thursday will tell

if work schedules are kind I will pay a visit to the local embassy

Yeah, I presume there will be a concentration of people there

Haven't read anything yet though

there was a cabildo on the 19th

What's up with the military men who are said to be at the Colombian Border?

any news on that? I was just watching their declaration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwc3phBxRH4

no, it was like an hour ago I think

hmmm

killing Maduro seems to me like a bad move... Who is Vice President right now?

Delcy... damn

well, yeah, you would need to take the whole bunch out

But that usually leads to more fanatism

It really depends on how the state is drawn I suppose

Oh damn, this could turn into a shitshow in a minute

Wha wea?

Nah, we good with him gone

he was a bit of a polarizing factor

Yeah I know, and that's the past

Puppet state?

lol

we got ourselves a full blockade by the US, which nearly led to us being invaded by Argentina in the 78

if you are interested, that was because of the murderer of Orlando Letelier in the 74

so yeah, Pinochet's dictatorship got essentially the same treatment Maduro's dictatorship claims to be getting from the US

Beagle Islands Crisis

Can't tell

I wasn't even a thing back then

If I had been alive then I would have got myself in trouble though

I got some differences with my far more Pinochet-friendly father

I lean slightly to the left than he does

and even he has some differences as well

Not really, I am just full pro democracy and hate every "we shall live forever more" kind of speech

so I recognize Pinochet was a dictattor who commited political crimes that I can't condone

but I also understand Allende was no democrat himself

Most importantly, he was undemocratic

"I am not the president of all chileans" he said, that is essentially subverting the Presidency to your ideas

Anyway, anything new happened in Little Venice this morning? I can't bother to get on twitter and check VTV and Telesur right now

he did

They unearthed his corpse three times to see if he was murdered, all three times they came to the conclusion the shot was made from the front, short distance and by the AK Fidel gave him

So they, like, got really drunk on Liberty?

heh

Why is Black Panther Trending Topic in Venezuela?

well, yeah, they didn't actually drop Fidel from a chopper

Cornershop's here

Oh Chavez was very concearned with that

if there is a heaven

I recall watching his allocutions on his last months

more and more related to religion

both Catholicism and Santería

That is objectivly bad

It's as bad as torturing centers

actually not as bad, but still bad

Ah, Ben

always fun to watch

and only that

Who, Ben?

no

hmmm

@Marker here in South America we usually write centuries in roman numerals, so it's a comon mistake to write them with roman numerals when writing in English

I have been questioned about that a couple of times myself 😛

Yeah

for the most part

You know, I don't mind socialist policies. If you want to provide coverage to the poor and raise taxes that's fine with me

just don't like it when politicians go all Che Guevara about it

My main concearn is when politicians say stuff like "They will never come back to power" and "We are the people", like taking over national and popular identity, somehow alienating every disagreement from the debate

In Latin America we have both sides of the spectrum taking this attitude, but most recently the left through figures like Chavez, Morales and Correa.

No

I don't believe in direct democracy

Republic I say

Societies should be free to seek their fate, but nobody should deny the possibility they turn the other way at some point

So when Hugo Chavez started to call out the oppossition as fascists and saying "They shall never come back" I saw what was wrong with him

Before that, I kinda liked the figure Hugo Chavez represented

but the guy showed himself no different to a school bully

As in, rich and aristocrat?

lol

Juche, although that's the ideology, not sure of the system

Economically capitalist

but politically socialist

So all they joys of capitalism, all the bads of capitalism, absolutely nothing good on the political side

With a political manifestation

like one party rule

so what is it politically?