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@Pelth it was far worse than slavery really
@Pelth for example the slaves in americas enjoyed very nice lives compared to the serfs in the middle ages
@Pelth infact the slaves in america had better lives than serfs still in europe such as eastern europe where serfdom still existed
@Pelth we have data on this. the black american slaves had better diets, less work horus, better literacy rates, more spending money and so on than eastern european serfs did even in the 1700s, let alone the misery and hellscape of 1200s serfdom
@Pelth you're discussing the worst existences humans have suffered in all of human history. a nightmarish world of eternal starvation and oppression
@CallMeTruckson same time period
@Pelth they produced everything they could, and just that left them borderline starving, and then ontop of that shitty subsistence farming then the baron would take a tax
@Pelth they lived off scraps of nutritionless grain. their lives were hell
@Pelth they weren't sustainable hence the constant famines. inbetween the famines even then most of them died as infants, if you didn't die as an infant then you probably died in childhood, and if you didn't die in childhood you probably died in adolesence
@Pelth they were actually forced to breed by law
@Pelth if they weren't married by around 21 they were put in an arrangedm arriage by their baron to produce more workers
@Pelth they were the worst lives in human history
@Pelth it was entirely typical. starvation, death in childhood, famines and so on were the norm
@Pelth the people in the cities lived comparable luxurious lives with fine wares, lots of money to spend, exotic goods
@Pelth you're a fucking idiot who knows nothing about history and everything you say is wrong
you're just endlessly making up dumb shit that you for some reason wish was true
you're ignorant as fuck on this subject
you need to stop
you're a clueless fucking mongoloid who knwos nothing about medieval economy
you dont' understand anything about serfdom, how it ended, the transition from open field system to agricultural enclosure
you're just some weirdo who got some weird romantic idea of serfdom and wants to make up dumb shit about it
the reality is that in serfdom these people lived in rags, they were so malnutritioned that they usually only grew to about 5 foot to 5 and a half foot tall
literally that was their height
imagine eating so little nutrition that you grew to only 5 and a half foot tall
well, then again, maybe i'm talking to a manlet
and what happened is that it broke down and was replaced by agricultural enclosure and people packed the cities and a supernova of advancement and innovation and trade and rising living standards occurred
THAT IS BECAUSE THEY WERE STUCK IN A MALTHUSIAN TRAP
OMG
THE REASON THE POPULATION STAYED LOW IS BECAUSE THEY WERE STARVING ALL THE TIME
"people generally were pretty cool with each other"
homicide rates in holland and belgium
african warzone shit
not only were these malnutrition midgets starving, but they were constantly murdering one another
germany and switzerland
and this was particularly rural, the towns were relatively peaceful
for example records of villages in oxford, which back then was tiny communal villages, have homicide rates like syria today
100 homicide rate is low?
it's homicide you moron
it's 4 times higher than columbia
the coutnry in the world today with the highest homicide rate is el salvador
which has a homicide rate of 60
no, it's rural
you spastic dumb monogoloid ignorant fuck the people in the towns were the rich people
in feudalism the wealthy lived in the towns and the poor lived on the manors
they are the highest homicide rates ever
how are they pretty low?
name higher homicide rates
which early societies?
show data
what do you mean by early societies?
you mean ancient civilisations of serfdom?
yea they sucked because it's serfdom and slavery
these english villages had like 10 times the homicide rate of chicago
you: "pretty low"
"a thing until it was"
the words of an uneducated blathering moron
workers being bound to land goes way back before medieval times
and it was arguably even worse in africa and asia
the same sort of misery in the chinese bureaucratic field systems, and in sub continent, and in africa
more meaningless babble from you "people were pretty migratory"
do you understand you've been talking shit for how long now and you haven't made one point that has any truth to it?
i have to know why you care to defend serfdom
is it that you're like some virgin manlet angry at the modern world and you buy into that meme of if you were a serf you'd get some serf pussy orsometing?
bitch you don't even understand how serfdom ended
you demonstrated you don't know what the malthusian trap is, you don't know how serfdom worked, you don't know what caused high and late middle ages urbanisation
you don't understand that the reason it happened was better opportunities and higher living standards
you haven't made one argument that has any truth to it
urbanisation in the late middle ages and early modern ages led to people going from being malnurished midgets living in hell to being literate cultured professional tradesmen eating varied healthy diet, spending money on exotic goods
having shoes to wear
even multiple shoes to wear
having actual tailored clothes
it wasn't until the late modern age and industrial revoltuion that urbanisation became the hellscape of child labour and so on
they had no freedom and they were burning their own shit to keep warm
they lived in rags
they mostly slept on floors if they were lucky or if not they slept in small hutches
they largely didn't have anything
lol the delusioanl fucking shit in your head
they didn't have spare wool much
they didn't have much livestock, all this is documented
it wasn't until serfdom ended that you had lots of work animals and so on
that's a part ofwhy serfdom ended is that when agricultural enclosure happened and they could invest in work animals serfs became obsolete
i'm going to ask you a question and you're going to respond immediately, k?
you ready?
it's just a basic question on serfdom
anyone who has studied serfdom at all will be able to answer this in a few words
ready?
are you ready?
are you ready?
are you afraid?
you're going to be exposed for not even knowing the most basics about serf life?
running away now?
name the classes of serfs
in england
name how they're listed in the domesday book
everyone who has had the most basic introduction to serfdom knows this
it's listed in black and fucking white int he book you dumb shit
lying shit you haven't studied the most basic introduction to serfdom
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