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2019-09-19 02:10:13 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth it was far worse than slavery really

2019-09-19 02:10:29 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth for example the slaves in americas enjoyed very nice lives compared to the serfs in the middle ages

2019-09-19 02:10:56 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth infact the slaves in america had better lives than serfs still in europe such as eastern europe where serfdom still existed

2019-09-19 02:11:29 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth we have data on this. the black american slaves had better diets, less work horus, better literacy rates, more spending money and so on than eastern european serfs did even in the 1700s, let alone the misery and hellscape of 1200s serfdom

2019-09-19 02:12:12 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth you're discussing the worst existences humans have suffered in all of human history. a nightmarish world of eternal starvation and oppression

2019-09-19 02:12:33 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@CallMeTruckson same time period

2019-09-19 02:13:34 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth they produced everything they could, and just that left them borderline starving, and then ontop of that shitty subsistence farming then the baron would take a tax

2019-09-19 02:13:58 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth they lived off scraps of nutritionless grain. their lives were hell

2019-09-19 02:14:35 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth they weren't sustainable hence the constant famines. inbetween the famines even then most of them died as infants, if you didn't die as an infant then you probably died in childhood, and if you didn't die in childhood you probably died in adolesence

2019-09-19 02:14:50 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth they were actually forced to breed by law

2019-09-19 02:15:08 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth if they weren't married by around 21 they were put in an arrangedm arriage by their baron to produce more workers

2019-09-19 02:15:22 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth they were the worst lives in human history

2019-09-19 02:15:36 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth it was entirely typical. starvation, death in childhood, famines and so on were the norm

2019-09-19 02:15:54 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth the people in the cities lived comparable luxurious lives with fine wares, lots of money to spend, exotic goods

2019-09-19 02:16:11 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

@Pelth you're a fucking idiot who knows nothing about history and everything you say is wrong

2019-09-19 02:16:18 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you're just endlessly making up dumb shit that you for some reason wish was true

2019-09-19 02:16:22 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you're ignorant as fuck on this subject

2019-09-19 02:16:25 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you need to stop

2019-09-19 02:16:33 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you're a clueless fucking mongoloid who knwos nothing about medieval economy

2019-09-19 02:16:48 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you dont' understand anything about serfdom, how it ended, the transition from open field system to agricultural enclosure

2019-09-19 02:17:05 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you're just some weirdo who got some weird romantic idea of serfdom and wants to make up dumb shit about it

2019-09-19 02:17:31 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

the reality is that in serfdom these people lived in rags, they were so malnutritioned that they usually only grew to about 5 foot to 5 and a half foot tall

2019-09-19 02:17:36 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

literally that was their height

2019-09-19 02:17:52 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

imagine eating so little nutrition that you grew to only 5 and a half foot tall

2019-09-19 02:17:58 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

well, then again, maybe i'm talking to a manlet

2019-09-19 02:18:42 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

and what happened is that it broke down and was replaced by agricultural enclosure and people packed the cities and a supernova of advancement and innovation and trade and rising living standards occurred

2019-09-19 02:18:51 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

THAT IS BECAUSE THEY WERE STUCK IN A MALTHUSIAN TRAP

2019-09-19 02:18:51 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

OMG

2019-09-19 02:19:01 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

THE REASON THE POPULATION STAYED LOW IS BECAUSE THEY WERE STARVING ALL THE TIME

2019-09-19 02:19:39 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

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2019-09-19 02:19:44 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

"people generally were pretty cool with each other"

2019-09-19 02:20:12 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

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2019-09-19 02:20:15 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

homicide rates in holland and belgium

2019-09-19 02:20:17 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

african warzone shit

2019-09-19 02:20:31 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

not only were these malnutrition midgets starving, but they were constantly murdering one another

2019-09-19 02:20:52 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

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2019-09-19 02:20:53 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

germany and switzerland

2019-09-19 02:21:32 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

and this was particularly rural, the towns were relatively peaceful

2019-09-19 02:21:58 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

for example records of villages in oxford, which back then was tiny communal villages, have homicide rates like syria today

2019-09-19 02:22:46 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

100 homicide rate is low?

2019-09-19 02:23:21 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

it's homicide you moron

2019-09-19 02:23:26 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

it's 4 times higher than columbia

2019-09-19 02:23:41 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

the coutnry in the world today with the highest homicide rate is el salvador

2019-09-19 02:23:45 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

which has a homicide rate of 60

2019-09-19 02:24:07 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

no, it's rural

2019-09-19 02:24:16 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you spastic dumb monogoloid ignorant fuck the people in the towns were the rich people

2019-09-19 02:24:36 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

in feudalism the wealthy lived in the towns and the poor lived on the manors

2019-09-19 02:25:06 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

they are the highest homicide rates ever

2019-09-19 02:25:10 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

how are they pretty low?

2019-09-19 02:25:17 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

name higher homicide rates

2019-09-19 02:25:37 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

which early societies?

2019-09-19 02:25:38 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

show data

2019-09-19 02:25:57 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

what do you mean by early societies?

2019-09-19 02:26:03 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you mean ancient civilisations of serfdom?

2019-09-19 02:26:11 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

yea they sucked because it's serfdom and slavery

2019-09-19 02:27:16 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

these english villages had like 10 times the homicide rate of chicago

2019-09-19 02:27:19 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you: "pretty low"

2019-09-19 02:27:31 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

"a thing until it was"

2019-09-19 02:27:36 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

the words of an uneducated blathering moron

2019-09-19 02:28:54 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

workers being bound to land goes way back before medieval times

2019-09-19 02:29:01 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

and it was arguably even worse in africa and asia

2019-09-19 02:29:20 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

the same sort of misery in the chinese bureaucratic field systems, and in sub continent, and in africa

2019-09-19 02:29:35 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

more meaningless babble from you "people were pretty migratory"

2019-09-19 02:29:52 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

do you understand you've been talking shit for how long now and you haven't made one point that has any truth to it?

2019-09-19 02:30:14 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

i have to know why you care to defend serfdom

2019-09-19 02:30:36 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

is it that you're like some virgin manlet angry at the modern world and you buy into that meme of if you were a serf you'd get some serf pussy orsometing?

2019-09-19 02:30:55 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

bitch you don't even understand how serfdom ended

2019-09-19 02:31:15 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you demonstrated you don't know what the malthusian trap is, you don't know how serfdom worked, you don't know what caused high and late middle ages urbanisation

2019-09-19 02:31:30 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you don't understand that the reason it happened was better opportunities and higher living standards

2019-09-19 02:31:41 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you haven't made one argument that has any truth to it

2019-09-19 02:32:16 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

urbanisation in the late middle ages and early modern ages led to people going from being malnurished midgets living in hell to being literate cultured professional tradesmen eating varied healthy diet, spending money on exotic goods

2019-09-19 02:32:19 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

having shoes to wear

2019-09-19 02:32:22 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

even multiple shoes to wear

2019-09-19 02:32:26 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

having actual tailored clothes

2019-09-19 02:32:39 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

it wasn't until the late modern age and industrial revoltuion that urbanisation became the hellscape of child labour and so on

2019-09-19 02:33:06 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

they had no freedom and they were burning their own shit to keep warm

2019-09-19 02:33:21 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

they lived in rags

2019-09-19 02:33:47 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

they mostly slept on floors if they were lucky or if not they slept in small hutches

2019-09-19 02:34:37 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

they largely didn't have anything

2019-09-19 02:34:45 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

lol the delusioanl fucking shit in your head

2019-09-19 02:34:55 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

they didn't have spare wool much

2019-09-19 02:35:04 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

they didn't have much livestock, all this is documented

2019-09-19 02:35:14 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

it wasn't until serfdom ended that you had lots of work animals and so on

2019-09-19 02:35:38 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

that's a part ofwhy serfdom ended is that when agricultural enclosure happened and they could invest in work animals serfs became obsolete

2019-09-19 02:35:53 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

i'm going to ask you a question and you're going to respond immediately, k?

2019-09-19 02:35:57 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you ready?

2019-09-19 02:36:15 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

it's just a basic question on serfdom

2019-09-19 02:36:26 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

anyone who has studied serfdom at all will be able to answer this in a few words

2019-09-19 02:36:28 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

ready?

2019-09-19 02:36:40 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

are you ready?

2019-09-19 02:36:45 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

are you ready?

2019-09-19 02:36:55 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

are you afraid?

2019-09-19 02:37:11 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

you're going to be exposed for not even knowing the most basics about serf life?

2019-09-19 02:37:41 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

running away now?

2019-09-19 02:37:59 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

name the classes of serfs

2019-09-19 02:38:29 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

in england

2019-09-19 02:38:35 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

name how they're listed in the domesday book

2019-09-19 02:38:42 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

everyone who has had the most basic introduction to serfdom knows this

2019-09-19 02:38:50 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

it's listed in black and fucking white int he book you dumb shit

2019-09-19 02:38:57 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #general-chat๐Ÿ’ข]  

lying shit you haven't studied the most basic introduction to serfdom

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