They lost $1.5 billion this year, even more than last year, and they have never had a profitable year.

@Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 electric motors and batteries have not been stagnant in the past 100 years. Car companies havent bothered with EVs for a reason: batteries are a terrible way to power a car.

Fact is tesla is already losing money, tons of it, and they lose more with every new product they introduce.

And?

I mean it looks awesome.

But unless they charge a few million dollars for it, it will never make money

I cant tell if you are trying to make a point about EVs or changing the subject.

I am okay with the latter btw, i just dont know if thats what you are doing

Personally i would like to see more through the road hybrids.

Like a mustang with a mid displacement 4.6L powering the rear wheels and a 200hp electric motor powering the front

Heck it could still have a manual transmission.

Eh

Hybrids are where the market is headed.

Hybrids and dual clutch transmissions

Which conveniently enough means that manuals might survive.

Not...really.

Hilarious

The present market disagrees

Hybrids make bank. Meanwhile people only make EVs wgen forced to.

Unless you are running a con scheme like Musk

...i take that back. Con scheme is too strong of a word.

It ajnt a profitable company tho. Well, it is for musk, but thats it.

I meam look at the new electrocs.

With the exception of the Bolt, they are only offered where they are required by law

That does not suggest a healthy market for them.

Even the bolt isnt a good one.

That was probably GM deciding to sell it everywhere at break even price rather than have limited production while selling at a loss

Likely decided that had them losing less money

Tesla's massive losses i already went over.

Smart car ev, Rav 4, and other electics are basically only sold in Europe, china, and CARB states.

Once again, where required by law.

Lol

GM killed the electric car

Because it was a publicity stunt that was a fucking headache to deal with and their ceo was an assholish accountant who didnt want to let people keep the cars.

A combo of poor business potential and shitty people leading the company

The above film is conspiracy theorist nonsense.

Nobody cares if electrics succeed.

Seriously why would anyone care?

They use metric shittons of plastic, so oil companies, besides maybe the middle eastern ones, give no shits.

Car companies dont care. They just want to build whatever sells

If anything, many people - like battery companies - have a vested interest in them succeeding.

Dont recognize it.

Is that the Agera?

Reggera

Fuck

Always mix up the name

"You dont know what car this is off the top of your head, your argument is invalid."

The entire success of electics rides on this car

It is jesus

Only ignorami dont know it

What does that have to do with this argument at all?

We are talking about road cars.

And my original statement was that hybrids are the future anyway. Even if it was relevant, its invalid.

And moreso, not knowing who won le mans yesterday means less than nothing for this argument.

Whats relevant to the conversation os relevant.

You are literally saying that because i dont know who won le mans yesterday that i know nothing about cars.

And at this point you are just being infantile

Jesus, i didnt realize i was arguing with a 12 year old. Sorry, man.

You are saying because i dont know what _one car is_

Based on appearance alone

That is not a road car and thus not a part of the argument

When there are many, many people who are actual experts who give no shits about le mans

And not just random internet peeps

And you are saying this knvalidates my entire argument

This is the most autistic appeal to authority i have ever seen

You keep saying that all you want m8.

This is a public forum

I am making this a show for whoever wants to see just how stupid you can get

Which, to be fair, might be no one.

But whatever

Youre hilarious

Please keep digging

I am enjoying the show

There are thousands of people who have worked in the industry their whole lives and know far more about cars than i do, who know even less about le mans than i do.

Its an appeal to authority

A particularly stupid one at that. As its not some idea central to cars, its literally just one car out of millions out there

Well when you have a moron like broo that happens

@Ruggwain @Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 on this we can agree

I normally prefer big cylinder torque monsters but dat v10

9k rpm tho

I like that we are going more angular with design and getting that 1950s raygun gothic look again.

But companies are taking it way too far and making everything look like angry screaming toasters

The current Golf looks good imo

Same with the Civic, though for different reasons.

The Golf is tastefully simple, while the Civic does well with the gothic look without going full angry toaster

@Reaps bruh

Did you take that pic at the USNA?

I literally saw that car there.

Eh

Not sure how well thats measured.

Here in the states its 292hp. Which is still a lot, mind you

Focus RS is more impressive. 350hp stock

Porsche

Which technically still means VW since both companies own each other

Don't ask me how that works

Wait no

Thats wrong

Doesn't the R36 have a V6?

@Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 you said straight 6.

I mean i could be wrong and Euro versions could have an I6.