Weird part for me is that thanks to who I dated in college, I have been sort of watching the entire shitshow coming for decades.

My boyfriend at the time was a philosophy major, doing his Master's thesis. Like an idiot, he decided to do it on Academic Neutrality. Which required him to dig into every sacred cow that couldn't be subjected to academic rigor because it was "too important".

Learned some seriously weird things about the left back then, just been watching it bloom since.

This is actually more about the ideology and the intentional takeover of academia than the political action portion of things.

Apparently, some of the people who did sit-ins and so on, rather than thinking the goal was to get academia back to being ideologically neutral as much as possible, just decided that the whole point was indoctrination, so they might as well take over the inputs.

Like, literally and in those terms.

By the time I was in college, it was well underway, but it wasn't done yet.

I was raised by unreliable authority figures that taught me to analyze input regardless of the source. And syllogistic logic at a really young age. Authority figures hated me.

Or made friends with me. Which I think said more about them than me.

@Eric2, Blown because it's crazy, or just because it's new?

Fair

@Jerm70, that's kind of happening now, so we'll see.

@Eric2, it was pretty much what was in the pipeline when my ex was doing his paper. Things that were "too important" or "too sensitive" to discuss fairly. In Academia. Where we were (at the time) supposed to be researching and working out the truth of things.

History had already gone to hell. One of my friends, a Japanese exchange student, had another guy that she knew but I did not, come up and apologize to her for the "hoax" of Pearl Harbor. Apparently, his American History teacher had taught him it was a complete hoax used to justify bombing the crap out of the Japanese.

She lit into him like mad. Apparently, managing that attack is something of a point of pride for some Japanese people.

My drawing teacher thought the "liberal" in a LIberal Arts degree was the political kind...

The Self Esteem class was part of the Women's Studies department, our textbook was a book from the 80s that basically blamed patriarchy for all female self esteem issues, and our professor was a self-proclaimed 50-year-old bull dyke.

Had some fun messing with that narrative, but bleagh..

@Jerm70, I don't see the logic there.

Especially as the motivation was very different.

Not sure I would call it dishonour, but they were definitely operating based on different rules of engagement.

The nukes were, at the time, feared for their might. People didn't understand fallout yet.

Not by Asian standards.

The fallout is why we rebuilt everything. When they dropped the things, they thought they were just blowing people up so they would stop fighting to the last.

They didn't expect the kind of deaths a lot of people got.

They have whole systems defining honour. It's just a version that seems weird to anyone not raised in it. Works the same the other way around.

Yeah, but the rebuilding was a guilt thing.

I didn't say bushido was.

Unless you can define honor, I don't know there is much point to this.

You're saying no culture in an entire continent has a concept of honor.

That's a pretty strong claim.

That's a tenet of Western Honor.

How about the concept of never surrendering?

Not often.

And not until we bombed two cities off the map with an equal number of bombs.

That was the whole reason we used the nukes.

How does this prove they have no concept of honor?

If you're going to claim failing to live up to it means it's not a thing, no culture has honor.

Because every culture has someone who cucked.

Define honor?

Like, literally define?

You gave examples of things you felt were or were not honorable.

That's like defining "food" by giving me a menu.

Loyalty is frequently brought up as well, and is definitely an aspect Asian cultures value.

Okay, I have shit to do, and someone whose arguments are circular and regularly end in "lul" isn't interesting enough to keep me busy. Have fun, guys.