the questions you're asking are pretty stupid

he's not worth less money, he just isnt fit for the job

you guys are literally arguing for having incompetent people do highly demanding jobs for less pay

thats retarded.

I dont have a PhD in physics. Would they let me teach a class that requires a PhD for less pay?

no they wouldnt, and shouldnt

why is it so hard for you to understand that?

@Antiboom Ok dude. I'll only say this once because I am tired of this stupid argument. We already let people do the jobs they are capable of doing. If someone isnt capable, then they are not hired (typically).
If they are capable, then they should earn the same as everyone else who's capable. Thats equality.

If you still dont get it, please see a doctor, and have your brain checked.

thank you

@Antiboom ok then they earn the same, because they are doing what they can, and so does everyone else.

you cant intentionally create inequality, because we're not all just as skilled.

makes no fucking sense

in reality, you're not even "earning" anything. stuff is given to you in exchange for your labor. they can take that away if they want, or reduce your "earnings"

its an agreement that you enter

@Antiboom yeah, what problem do you have with that?

you're not enforcing anything, you just recognize that we are not all equally good at everything, so you treat people as if they are equals, recognizing that they are doing what they can

money doesnt even create proper incentives, it just makes people selfish and greedy anyway

@M4Gunner you're right we're not, but we have the same value as human beings, and thats it

@thatguykyle you dont need to outperform others, you just need to do your job well to add something to society

trying to be better than others is exactly the kind of mentality that this fucked up system has generated

@M4Gunner yeah i know that to you retards everything that isnt capitalistic is commie

@Dillon its not communism at all, especially since you dont understand half of it

also, the dishonest tactic of calling something "communism" or fascism as a way to dismiss ideas and arguments is the most commonly employed in today's society

"everyone I dont like is a Nazi/Commie"

congrats

you are officially engaging in ad hominem

instead of arguing with "but you're a commie!" try to address the actual claims and arguments

@Dillon @M4Gunner @Amir no, you've all lost my interest at this point, because you dont want to engage honestly

also, realize that the communism vs capitalism is a false dichotomy

I am sure you are <:pepe_smug:560207654207750154>

@M4Gunner and you dont want to hear the truth either

see? i can do it too

@Antiboom and you're literally a fascist. thanks for playing

lets play again tomorrow

We'll switch sides: I will call you a commie, and you call me a fascist

and we will see who wins

its a nice game, no?

😄

i've made my points very clear

you all just want to argue in the way of "but you're a commie!"

and then dismiss everything the other person has said

you dont actually deserve more attention than what you've been given

the "everyone I disagree with is a Commie/Nazi" fallacy is so common, its disgusting

@Antiboom said the person who literally didnt bother to understand anything i said

In any case, when you all are willing and capable to engage honestly, I will be more than glad to talk to you

@Antiboom you were not told you should be called fascist, dont lie

yeah really, and if you bothered to understand what they other person said, you wouldnt appear to lie like that

yeah, did you not get the point there? @Antiboom

please dont tell me you're that stupid

no

i told you that labeling someone a commie or fascist, is easy, and is a commonly deployed tactic to dismiss someone's arguments

and now I have to repeat that for the 3rd time (at least) because you cant or wont read and understand

that why I call you dishonest

Now if you try to engage honestly in the future, you'd have my respect no matter how much we disagree

yeah see? this person 六四事件 天安門大屠殺 1989 just validated what i said

the false dichotomy i mentioned earlier

before you go ahead with your labeling, it might be best to understand the other person's position

I dont go around calling people communists or capitalists based on little or no information

nor do i care about the labels themselves

@Antiboom yeah because then you might understand why jumping to conclusions and labeling someone hastily like that might be foolish

@Antiboom Ok then, I'll gladly correct you: Communism has a state, a government, it has laws and money, it has prisons and law enforcement, and its rooted in collectivism. I reject all of these things in principle, and the latter, collectivism, I reject as a whole in all its forms

you're welcome mate

I am an anarcho-commie who rejects collectivism entirely. Yes, it makes perfect sense

you know...in clown world

@Antiboom First of all, allow me to admit that I was wrong about you, since you clearly are engaging in an honest way now. I misjudged you. apologies

@Antiboom i do believe in said principle to some degree, just not taken as an absolute.

now as for the previous question of government/authority, I dont believe that we can achieve these things by forcing people into it. I believe that the best chance humanity has got is to change fundamentally, as a culture in a radical way.
Our best hope is to somehow cultivate a culture that is routed in social cooperation and working together, as opposed to competing with each other and the "to each their own" mentality that we have today.
How we cultivate such a culture, I do not know @Antiboom

I have listened to a lot of the thing that the Zeigeist Movement proposes and talks about, as well as the work of Peter Joseph, and they are correct about a lot of things, the only issue is, all of their proposals are routed in some kind of fundamental change in humanity, and they offer no clear pathway to get there.
I suggest you look into that, but it takes time to understand what they're saying, as its very extensive.

and I would encourage everyone to stop making assumptions and jump to conclusions, because labeling something as communism or whatever, and then quickly dismissing it, is unwise. Instead, look at the actual proposals and solutions, and see if they check out

@Antiboom we are naturally one of the most socially cooperative species on the planet

we literally have A LOT of trouble living completely alone

if we were naturally competitive like that, you'd see humans behaving more like Cheetahs, rather than chimpanzees or meerkats

We have actually evolved as hunters-gatherers in small nomadic tribes

that is our natural proclivity

sure, thats socially cooperative

@Antiboom you are in agreement with me on this one

Anyway, the claim that humans are naturally competitive and dont tend to work together is something that doesnt check out, and contradicts our evolutionary history and biological nature

@Fitzydog the fact that we've had tribes for such a long time, confirms my point. stop taking things to an absolute

@Antiboom again, dont take this to an absolute. re-read what i previously said

@Fitzydog ok so in your mind, either we are competitive or cooperative. black or white. no nuance then. no degrees

@Fitzydog that literally made no sense. try again

maybe if he describes it differently

yeah.....I'm the one who refuses to listen
Manifest DestinyToday at 11:53 PM
Why? You're a fucking leftist piece of shit imo

I am a leftist piece of shit commie anarcho-commie

congrats

in any case, I'll address the ones that arent retarded assholes like @Fitzydog

@Pope Pingu yes there are hierarchies that arise naturally within tribes. Typically, the ones viewed as the most experienced and capable, are recognized as leaders by mostly everyone, and are followed.
Yes there are people that want to be in charge and contest the leaders.
Yes tribes sometimes or even often compete for resources, they are essentially forced to

all of this doesnt mean that as a species we just try to look for ways to screw everyone over, we seek each other and try to cooperate, because we've evolved like that, to work together as families, tribes etc, in a general sense. IF you stopped taking this to an absolute, you'd fucking understand

@Fitzydog when you stop being a condescending douchebag who's angry at me for some reason, you will get my full attention. Right now you're giving me the impression that you just want a pissing content, not a debate.

@Amir Ok. Explain then the value of predicting the movement of money, in order to make more money. Stock exchange. What is the value in that?

@Tricerius I understand. I dont need to engage in that kind of thing though. I do have the option though!

@Amir No, what is the value in making money without producing anything for society?

@Amir then why do you have stock exchange and billionaires making even more billions simply because they got tons of money in the bank?

oh but you do. Just have millions or even billions in a bank account, and yes you "magically" make money. Same for stock exchange

Hitler: Greatest prankster in the world!

He just didnt manage to say "Was just a prank bro!" before the allies swarmed in

a *social-ist experiment

did he shoot himself or take cyanide?

i can never remember