I like how this has its own entire channel

anyone watch the Panorama on BBC earlier? it was about brexit negotiations

and had multiple interviews from both UK and EU politicians and negotiators

@quinnn sounds like every “political” discord server tbh

yup

political debate servers tend to descend into ppl shoving their opinions down others’ throats :x

leftcoms?

no clue who they are, have I dodged a bullet

social democrat I guess

pretty much what we have in the UK

@TrippieCock see: welfare state in a lot of western europe

@quinnn also our other various public services, though UK is more on the right end

compared to other EU countries

also wasn’t nazi germany’s economy absolutely dependent on munitions/arms production?

I thought nazi germany’s was too

degree/PhD isn’t an indicator of political acumen

you can have a PhD in a natural science but have no understanding whatsoever of politics

accusing someone of being a highschool dropout is pretty <:WeirdChamp:560848762046644244>

@Green Syndicalism ayy another mathsy person

do you know stack exchange?

true

that’s probs the best place for maths QA imo

true, but you get used to TeX eventually

what’s your specialism?

maths wise

you had to specialise a little surely

you can’t be a polymath at degree lvl

ah right

so algebra + stochastic calc

pretty broad 😅

oof

that’s something i intend to do in later years, it looks pretty cool

i’ll get to the EFEs some day

what would saying the uni even do in this case lol

big controversial opinions = subs

@beyond_gravity I’m pro remain I would say

though I don’t think revoking A50 given the referendum result is a good idea

true

yeah, I can’t see a different leader being able to re-negotiate

we’re already testing the EU’s patience

but at the same time no deal is real messy imo

yeah brexit

I’m unconvinced there’s a way to make a no deal brexit orderly tbh

yeah

and our new leader is convinced being more confident will make them change their minds

lmao

idk, losing that freedom of movement of goods very abruptly is gonna cause some ripples in the economy

idk about shortages but it’ll hurt a lot of businesses is what I mean

that supply/sell from/to the EU

yeah but it doesn’t mean it’s not gonna hurt like hell anyway

+ the irish border

also we’ll still have to agree to some solution to that as a precondition to even begin trade negotiations with the EU

so as far as a trade deal with the EU goes, it’s just more can kicking

do you mean 2nd ref before or after we leave?

if before, we’re still in the EU and revoke means everything goes back to status quo afaik

I think the courts ruled britain can revoke it

but yeah if it’s after we’ve fully left then we get new, unfavourable terms

I’ll check it, one sec

yup - european courts ruled that the UK could revoke A50 and remain in the EU under current membership

https://news.sky.com/story/european-court-of-justice-rules-uk-can-unilaterally-revoke-article-50-and-halt-brexit-11576865

it gives us an abort option at least

yeah I’m doubtful of it happening

maybe with a second referendum but otherwise it won’t

I’m kinda torn, on the one hand we elect our government to make the policy decisions which is why I don’t support referendums, on the other hand our government is clearly too incompetent to actually do what they were elected to do

yeah that’s true

I could see it happening

not the most likely outcome but we’ve had very strange things happening over the paat two years

tbh they should’ve also made sure some approach was approved in parliament too

yup

pretty much

and david cameron

for opening pandora’s box

and not being ready for the consequences

yup lmao

did anyone do any planning

pre negotiations

pretty embarassing

i think ppl made out brexit to be simpler than it actually ended up being too

or at least our politicians did

brexit negotiations aren’t as simple as strolling into brussels and getting what we want :x

and yeah

but to be fair

relative to the rest of the EU, the UK already has pretty good terms

so it was probably not received warmly by them

yeah true

david davis lmao

“just be more confident!!!”

he was pretty ill informed as well

though yeah t may was the least prepared

maybe it wouldn’t have been *quite* as bad without t may

but i still feel like a lot of brexiteers had this “have our cake and eat it” attitude which would’ve made it still a travesty if any one of them was PM

yup

maybe they would’ve gotten together competent negotiators though

i guess that would’ve already been miles better than what we actually had

welp

nothing we can do about it now

just gotta wait and see what happens after parliament’s summer recess :x

since i doubt anything meaningful is gonna happen in the 2(?) weeks before parliament has its recess

same

then again it’d probably just be can kicking anyway