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I think the main breaking points for me was Ben explaining to me concisely why racial equality was bullshit - told me about how blacks have different comfort levels hence why they never advance at all. "They're inferior, yep." - I felt reality crash down for a few weeks.
Likewise with Parrott, I never really had an issue with minorities intrinsically, I guess northern NJ isn't that bad in that regard. It's the anti-white garbage all around and what is happening to Europe.
I'm not really a hateful person, but seeing the powers that be ethnically cleanse Europeans from their homelands gets my blood boiling.
That and antifa & far leftist psychologies disturb me.
What I meant specifically is it's not in my nature to be disdainful towards a minority/non-white just for the sake of itself.
At the end of the fucking day? Let's say HBD was disproven, I.E. race realism whatever...none of my political views would change.
Yeah I forgot to mention, somewhat of an Afrikanerphile here, and reading about the genocide against whites there pushed me over the edge. I felt so much rage.
Mainly through an Afrikaner-American friend I got into the subject
Yeah Gypos are nearly politically correct to hate
They're so consistently their negative stereotype it's impossible for the left to lie about them to any large extent
I always felt they're the way they are because the Hindu caste system worked as a form of weird eugenics. The predominant theory is that they're a bunch of untouchables kicked out of India. They're basically an ethnic group made entirely out of the most garbage people of a society.
ah yeah, there's also the cultural problems in addition
But their shitty racial defectiveness may have created such a culture in the first place
...I'm curious at what point did Gypos become Christian...?
Were they converted at some point when they entered Europe?
There's blurry regional varieties that all interpret it differently in India - for example some people say all the Gods are aspects of one God making it technically some form of monotheism.
but they usually leave India for that reason LOL
In addition. most people who intellectualize say baseline shit and even the shit they do say that makes sense is going to be strawmanned. I mean look at that one vid of Jared Taylor giving a lecture in 2012 at a university. He says totally innocuous basic-bitch shit about freedom of association and 90% of the people who get up to talk to him strawman and say irrelevent feel-good cringeworthy plattitudes
I mean who really does a good job of deconstructing...uh FringeElements is pretty smart.
and even then, the main reason that doesn't matter
is only a very small percentage of the population is smart enough to get what he's saying, and anyone relevant to tell that to that could theoretically understand it is someone with a vested interest in ignoring nuance anyway to push their leftist agenda.
90% of the population is those people you see interviewed at protests who can't explain why they're there. This transcends political allegiances.
Also to add on to leftist intellectuals you can't convince, many at some point flat out admit the issue isn't that they "know" their enemies are wrong empirically, they don't really care. They think it is something to be smashed to prevent genocide or whatever, so they don't care if nationalism is logical
To be fair KU, the culture of the USA is very different than say Finland. My understanding is Finland isn't that cucked, especially compared to the rest of Scandinavia. It's like in that halfway point. I think Denmark is the only other one that's sorta alright.
The social culture of the USA immediately dehumanizes you with zero nuance if you're labeled a Nazi
In Finland do they do the thing of labeling anyone with nationalist views Nazis blanketly? Like what views, regardless of labelling, would be controversial in Finland is my question?
There's this line you see, as time goes on, and a society becomes more "PC", the views that are lumped in the all-encompassing term Nazi - which means a person who is a white "racist" functionally by the media and normies - becomes broader.
Like for example in some places they may delineate between being a nationalist and a mindless bigot, in the USA there isn't any delineation unless it is civic
the mainstream in the USA has zero frame of reference to understanding ethnic or racial nationalism from white people that isn't "uhh cus they don't want to be around brown people?"
because it's been so thusly purged out of us over the past few decades
It's actually understandable considering what I just said that average normies assume anyone labeled a white nationalist hates anyone who isn't white
They have no frame of reference towards any other reason for it
I suppose it got to this point in the USA primarily because this place not being an ethnic homeland of Europeans made it easy, the ties aren't as strong per say. That and we've detached the constitution from the mentality of the founders. It's essentially reiterpreted. I mean really they were white supremacists.
yeeeaaah because at the time white supremacy was such a given norm pointing it out is like announcing you're against pedophilia. Everyone assumes someone is. It's like an unspoken truth.
Breivik's initial image and views were functionally European nationalist anyway. He said in his initial manifesto that Europe should say like 90% white or w/e
The fact he eventually went full Nazi in prison is mostly an image change, it's rhetoric and symbols
It exists because Islam is the most prominent mass immigrant group that causes problems.
Well what I am saying about Breivik is regardless of what symbolism or labels he chose to use, the guy was basically on board with keeping Europe mostly white from day fucking one, he flat out said so in his manifesto.
And he's decently socially conservative from the manifesto too, supports nuclear families, against normalizing homosexuality - though I don't think he was for cracking down on anyone for just being gay.
If I recall he had a lot against feminism in there
Yeah the whole point of any political movement is to get the 90% of generic people who can't think much to side with you. That's what I was talking about regarding intellectualizing even when it is intelligent - for that to matter in the long run depends on basically changing the opinions on establishment intellectuals because those are the only people who could theoretically understand what you are saying and sway things - they won't though, they have a vested biased interest in fighting everything you stand for.
Maybe in an ironic fashion, the polarization over Trump's election actually is shifting the Overton window.
It's all dependent on how much nuance is allowed for a label or a set of views.
USA affords none for us, as I stated before, but that may be changing.
It's real and has merit but it debatably doesn't matter
I was just defining it broadly by what is socially acceptable to talk about at least without being blanket-banned from the media/most people
maybe normies are a good frame of reference to use
The main thing I noted is the guy tries to play the moderate card (which never works anyway) and isn't even consistent with it
The guy is intelligent enough to know that the normies/media aren't going to afford any ironic nuance to someone using the term lugenpresse
yeah it's a bit tongue in cheek but...he knows they won't afford such nuance
This is a totally politically neutral criticism mind you.
To be fair though, he isn't wrong that lots of Nazis hate him. He's been railed on for his moderate stance on homosexuality. He's against LGBT culture and gay marriage and so forth though.
It would have totally reversed the propagandistic aspect of the event
Wasn't Breivik on something when he did the Utoya cleanup?
I also remember reading that he meditated to remove his empathy or some shit
Breitbart is barely more extreme than Fox News I love how they make a big fucking deal out of it. Aren't they pro-Israel?
All it does though is prove why the moderate schtick is bullshit and doesn't work.
There are people who think if Richard Spencer didn't get assaulted he'd have murdered the nearest minority. It's totally delusional.
But it's also not surprising due to the programming in the USA
people who focused on hating one side are getting more "desensitized" to the other, you know?
Like the whole Alt-Right initially started as opposition to the growing "SJW" phenomenon, right?
They hate that side so much they're more willing to associate with people who also oppose that more and more.
To more extreme degrees as they would initially real or imagined.
A lot more of those people deep down would probably agree with the statement "Europe should stay ethnically (racially) majority European."
I know that's what it was like for me before 2013
Deep down I still felt "culture not race" was inconsistent
It wasn't just for fear of being called racist, it was because I didn't want to be "racist" to myself
That's even in the case of moderate stances I officially take now, like what I openly state regarding ethnicity only necessitates regulating immigration/citizenship, but I was afraid to say that even
They don't even demonize with the term racist based on utilitarian harm
Yeah they'll make weird arguments to explain why this is supposedly wrong on an empirical level when it's not, it is a moral issue for them. Leftists rarely apply logic consistently because it was deconstruct so much shit
guys this is why we need to beat up richard spencer
if we don't all minorities within a 10 mile radius will combust
To be perfectly fair, if you support ethnonationalism even to the most "moderate" degree, it requires ethnic cleansing, not necessarily murder, but deportations under multiple hypothetical circumstances. Not inherently, but if you're not willing to do it when the situation requires it to enforce the most minimal of your goals then your views mean nothing.
So at a point you can't really try to convince antifa/leftists otherwise, they're never going to accept that
But they're okay with it as long as a racial/ethnic component isn't part of it. 🙂
As long as we ignore Stalin's ethnic cleansing of Finns from Karelia 🙂
"Oh I don't agree with what Stalin did there, but..." < implying you can tolerate it to an extent when your side does it. It's political brand loyalty, nothing more.
Yeah there's lots of commies who don't agree with Stalin, but they still give waaaay more emotional leeway when people defined as being their own do racist shit
just cringeworthy muslimsobs framed in a fiction context by autists
apparently it's actually some Muslim X-Men character
also MDE Subreddit is fucking God-tier. I'm a mod there
Maybe it's not an X-Men character idk it's just some marvel superhero
Police radio confirms, suspects are two Syrian refugees that have been in Canada for aroud one week. Shouts of "Allahu Akbar" heard during the shooting.
HAHAHA HOW IRONIC CONSIDERING WHAT WAS UNCOVERED
Can you imagine if Trump sorta-kinda defended Spencer?
Interesting idea. I could attempt such on twitter.
Also got something fun coming up, give me a moment
Did he clarify why he felt uncomfortable with it?
Thomas777: Having a clown government is one of the ways America antagonizes the world I believe. It's a "gaslighting" maneuver. America will menace you with some kind of horrific aerial assault, and send Hillary Clinton or some other bizarre clown to "negotiate". Normal groups of people don't have any idea how to respond to such things, so anything they do will be "wrong" within the parameters of the rigged psyhcological game.
Thomas777: It's like Caligula making you salute his horse who has been made a "general", and if you don't he'll torture you to death or invade your territory.
Long-winded but I hope my point is clear to the people on the fence.
I wasn't referring to people here, I meant people on the FB
I'm saying even the most "moderate" ethnonationalist type needs to be open to ethnic cleansing as an option
but the reality is moderate and extreme is just what you think is minimally required to enforce whatever axiom you believe in in various circumstannces, those aren't the principles themselves.
well yes, it's just why I'm done with catering to people
It's trying to appease people who wouldn't accept your side hypothetically in power. It's for people who want to push their views and not be ostracized, I.E. it is cowardice
they're generally fucking degenerate trash and the subculture is functionally a sex cult and I'm not defending it
I think to a certain degree there is legitimacy to the concept that Dylan Roof-like attacks are wasted potential though. You need to aim for higher ranking targets.
yeah he did that's true, refresh my memory: Did the senator support anti-white shit?
The victims were later collectively known as "The Charleston Nine".
I'm trying to get a detailed list of all the victims
Cynthia Marie Graham Hurd (54) – Bible study member and manager for the Charleston County Public Library system; sister of Malcolm Graham.
Susie Jackson (87) – a Bible study and church choir member.
Ethel Lee Lance (70) – the church's sexton.
Depayne Middleton-Doctor (49) – a pastor who was also employed as a school administrator and admissions coordinator at Southern Wesleyan University.
Clementa C. Pinckney (41) – the church's pastor and a South Carolina state senator.
Tywanza Sanders (26) – a Bible study member; grandnephew of Susie Jackson.
Daniel Simmons (74) – a pastor who also served at Greater Zion AME Church in Awendaw.
Sharonda Coleman-Singleton (45) – a pastor; also a speech therapist and track coach at Goose Creek High School.
Myra Thompson (59) – a Bible study teacher.
note that it doesn't mention BLM connections prolly intentionally?
That's true, but I feel like within certain contexts there is "awareness" of how it is percieved.
I think the most disgusting shit is...what was that fucking
gay rights activist cringy poet kike who defended nambla/pedophilia?
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