my classmates are watching netflix during class and then wondering why they f--- up on the exam. I do not want them to spend 10 minutes online finding the cheapest metal machine containing tiny explosions and then waltzing around near me

again, that is NOT to say they should be legally barred from doing so

but when crafting legislation it is our responsibility to consider unintended consequences

I think if this was amended in scope and purpose it has alot better chance of both suceeding in intended purpose and public support

mold this into something more like the original Militia Acts, and I think you get the best of both worlds

you lose the legal liability minefields you can bet the courts will throw you towards, while maintaining the purpose of an armed society forever freed from the threat of gun bans

basically my suggestions on a macro level are 1. remove the coercion portion. If you replaced the infrastructure required for enforcement and used it to pay for everyone to take a free 'weapons handling, maintenance, and marksmanship' and a free rifle you'd still come out well ahead and 2. create some sort of incentive for people to self select to carry within 'soft targets', be that you eat the cost of their car registration or something.

in short @Mandatory Carry I agree with the purpose of making every able bodied citizen armed, but I think wisdom dictates we avoid a registry and avoid compelling people to carry who do not feel equipped to do so

it's a macro application of the draft, if everyone was drafted like Israel

^^^^

that part scares the shit out of me

y'all may not remember, but I had relatives saying I was gonna 'go timothy mcveigh' because I went to local tea party meetings

@[DGI]tech yep

I was like, 11 at the time

@CritterKiller big fax. Registries lead to bans, given time

a registry. That is pretty much the only way to make it enforceable.

lmao @CritterKiller they're throwing red flags out the door because Trump won't ban ARs by executive order, I doubt they'd play the long game on this one

Chuck Shumer has as much real power as any non-circuit court judge has in our system

sorry man

I just wanted to sink my teeth into a real argument

ahh IMO gun culture is not dying

..............................I'm an urban

so are most of my friends

alright @CritterKiller hit us with your hypothesis

@CritterKiller I can give you how I got into guns and my background, if that's what you're asking

yeah, I'd say that's largely true. I and my friends all grew up in center-right households, where religion meant something and was treated with some degree of reverence and respect, but none of our parents owned guns. I got into them basically through the internet, more or less. I started following politics at 13, and by the time I was 17 I had come to the conclusion that since guns were a reality it was my job to understand them. I watched countless youtube videos, I poured over the work of John Lott and CDC statistics, and of course the history of the founding of our country

I came to the conclusion it was my duty to arm myself, and the day I turned 21 I did so

I'd say gun culture is alive, but substantially different than in the past. I know quite a few guys who's parents were never into guns, but who played video games and then someone took them to a local range and sent them a few articles, and they were converted

"today's" gun culture is almost completely divorced of hunting/the outdoors, and far more connected to say, the conceal carry movement

That's my take

fewer gun owners 'per capita' but the gun owners you do meet are huge second amendment guys and own to protect against two legged predators, not four legged ones

lucky......open carry is illegal in my state

@CritterKiller I walked my parents through my reasons for wanting a gun, and the research I had done, and despite both of them being nominally anti gun they let me have em in the house

^^^^^^

I'm fine with that

big fax

y'all remember when Crowder would always go on about #giftagun? we need to bring that back

I'm saving to buy a good friend of mine one

it'd be an interesting thing to get Matt's take on, since if any state retains the old gun culture of past generations, Montana does

something to the effect of "what are your thoughts on the idea that the decline of hunting has led to the death of America's historic gun culture"?

or more along the lines of "Do you think suburbia's lack of exposure to guns is the reason most young people tend to react emotionally against the idea of civilian gun ownership"?

Because I tend to think from my experience the latter is a pretty open and shut truth

tbh, hunting is pretty boring

I like training alot more, and the cost is more or less comparable

unless you can do it in a helicopter

then hunting f---ing rules

but I have yet to do that

honestly you can dry fire centerfire firearms without gear

tru

I don't use dry fire for marksmanship, more for drawing my ccw and manipulating the gun

reloads too

ditto

always happy to have an engaging conversation about such things

probably Hesco lvl 4 plate

honestly just gonna run it in my backpack since my school has chosen to legally require me to disarm on campus

working on a duty AR too, but considering the dems want armor banned I figured I'd snap up at least one good one while I can

wish I was in the same boat. Like a moron I'm paying my way through college without any loans, so the budget is pretty tight

yeah well if the dems win it is

could've taken those fed loans and spent all the money on ARs and Armor

idk it might

but it won't pass congress. Some district judge will just throw a nationwide injuncton, National Review will write about how terrible that is, and we'll all forget 2 months later

the vote buying power loan forgiveness represents is gonna be hard to resist

nein

assuming that was directed at me

the militia profession

I'm in college, just considering joining law enforcement and even if I do not I want a durable rifle to trust in case SHTF

def

yeah if not for my name being dragged through shit 24/7 I'd consider border patrol

US Marshals are the other one that would be pretty awesome to be a part of

No , my parents are great for the most part

But the media attention/slander of BP agents gives me pause, especially since I want to raise a family of my own

Yeah that's what I'm kinda struggling to figure out

How much do I go for a professon to be a crusader vs how much do I put my hopes of a future family first?

It makes for something to think about anyway

ahhh I love it when Dems """"deny science"""""

that seems like a mild generalization

just tell him you're armed and won't tolerate shit

LA noire

@Clive

@Deleted User so why have you joined this server? Is it to evangelize to us nazis, or to hone your own debate skills? Clearly it's not for the show since Matt is 'just another grifter'

the distinction between the two in your mind being what?

which would make nazism at odds with conservatism

not the argument I've heard

to a point. When Wikipedia says NAZI means National Socialist that's not exactly precise

unless you make socialism a much broader tent than it is normally defined as

that is to say, the Nazis called themselves socialists without having the government run the industries

@Deleted User back to my previous question, what is the distinction in your mind between a 'nazi' and a conservative

@Green Syndicalism right

it was also because socialism was all the rage and guiding the current is often easier than fighting it

@Deleted User then what's the difference between a conservative and a facist?

true *american* conservatism

yeah that's closer to Western Conservatism than American Conservatism

^^^^^

who value some of the same things as Western Conservatives

the rule of law, religion, etc

@Deleted User pretty shallow

also what's your answer to my question?

conserving need not be at odds with change

conserving freedom is a constant fight *for* change to the current system

???