so @PugSlugger still interested in when there was a capitalist society pre enlightenment, you haven't shown one so far

catholicism is against exploiting the poor, ideology and reality seldom mix in practice

so, abolish or smash?

what if, say the catholic church or some other religion fully embraced socialism? I mean ideologically they could reconstruct themselves that way. Jesus hits some pretty commie notes here and there.

i suppose it's not really likely in any way, but theoretically, if they fully committed, would they still be a problem?

yeah, probably a moot point

how so?

but humans are inherently wired to be fallacious with so many things, religion among them

would it not be beneficial to use that for socialism if possible?

there are a lot of things human beings are predisposed to biologically, no?

i might check it out

german works for me

<:lux:312044997513969676>

im always torn whether to read this stuff in english or german, since it's hard to keep track of all the terms in both languages

shieeeet does this mean i need to read hegel too

I really lack the motivation, i already get frustrated when i get to kant

and from what i hear hegel is a real doozie complexity wise

ok so marx first? anything in specific?

i dont think years of hard work writing a giant set of books counts as a religious experience

and the idea of a communal society wasn't new then either

then why don't you put on a fursuit and become a dog @Deleted User

i think survival is a bit too simplistic, it is only the primary impulse

there are many other behaviours anmials have evolved

that would count as one of them then i suppose, lol

sorry i can be a bit pedantic

so what should you start out with when reading marx?

animals have had forms of communicating long before humans

radical spewing of nonsense is unpleasant too

it's about on the level of listening to 9/11 truthers or chem trail conspiracists

yeah, why bother with all that empircism and shit we went through, that stuff takes too much work

just pray to a tree

and be happy

much easier

Roman economy was largely traditionalist, labor was not arbitrary or centered on creating products for exchange.

It shared some features with capitalism but at it's core the difference is quite significant

@Deleted User Read rousseau, he dealt with modernity and primitive cultures

but even he realized that going backwards is stupidity

Ironically, being a critic of it

Two ideas in two different places need not be related in any way

spooks

i am sad there is no stirner emote

Rosa Luxemburg would be proud of you <:lux:312044997513969676>

You are the one ignoring any argument that contradicts your extremely plain statement

you just throw something out and then write "LOL you can't even answer me without needing more than two sentences i must be right ))"

Saying because some modern term has roots in Latin is proof that that modern thing has any relation to roman society is incredibly ignorant

just ignore 3000 years that passed in between because it sounds vaguely similar

"i can't actually understand these arguments so i just strawman them so they sound simplistic"

He is not making arguments he's just throwing shitposts in like a stinkbomb then claims they don't smell when we complain

Who redefined language? Oh right it was you when you claimed plebeians had anything to do with proletariat because they are etymologically related

weren't the fuck ups because she was in prison at the time and had no access to accurate information?

marxism-conforming processes being observable in non-capitalist societies isn't exactly proving your point anyway

>socialism >no work

??

someone really didn't understand anything

it's like when a little child gets frustrated and starts screaming, except on the internet

because kids like you don't actually want to engage in an argument?

you just want to tell everyone else they are wrong

You never once asked one of us to explain an argument in detail

you always dismiss them

i've seen many debates with people on the right, it's always like this, they don't understand basic concepts and then refuse to engage with any attempts to comprehend, then deflect, change topic or start throwing a tantrum and claim they won

"someone else was racist and he called himself a communist so all communists are racist"

@PugSlugger what right wingers call public debate is a propagandist shouting match where you yell the loudest and talk the longest and claim you won because of that

which part is jewish ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Who said anything about genocide? The gulag is where people will you will go ))

i'm just bored and it's mildly entertaining

if i cared i would have blocked him long ago

will you give me a good goy card so i can avoid getting deported to madagascar with all the other cis white males?

"muh diffuse identity based on vague nebulous and often wrong racial, historical and cultural spooks is being threatened by feminism and the jews!!"

if my gf has a dick does that count too

okay, explain to me then, what is the "white" race

what defines it?

when exactly do you stop being white?

if you are 1/4th black? 1/16th? if you have slav heritage from three generations ago?

what about fins

their genetics are mostly mongolian, are they europeans?

phenotypes do not lie

yeah, "race" is such an american concept to begin with

the rest of the world does not use the term

Genociding jews is no less good or bad than genociding anyone else yes

genetic variance

Arguing like "how come other people look different! that means they must be a different race!" is like saying blond haired people are a different race from black or brown haired people

It's not just your skin, but there are no fundamental differences that would justify a categorization like race

nah he's jerking it to nazi furry porn

cause his "race" is actually sergal OwO

lol

i remember a leaflet from nazi times predicting the forgeiners would outbreed the germans in two generations

sad, no germans left today 😦

oh wait no that's not how breeding works

"the world is scary and complicated and i don't understand this globalist capitalist hellhole, must be the jews lets try being nazis again"

post-modern culutural marxists messy room advocator

sickening

Whites are being tired of finally having to acknowledge their priviledge and at the same time often getting fucked by capitalism themselves

they are angry and dumb

and then you get this shit

or even better turn them all into girls

mandatory HRT and dresscode

to curb their violent nature

Hey here's a question if white people are so great then why did they get buttfucked by the slavs in ww2

inb4 didnt genocide jews fast enough

pls don't say that i live in germany i don't want to go to jail