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Brenable
2019-11-06 02:15:44 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

@Comando you literally agree, even if it is "geopolitics", those geopolitics consisted of collaborating with fascists because they dont like communists

Brenable
2019-11-06 02:18:22 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

you want to draw a distinction between direct collaboration and ignoring and not dealing with problems because their class interests push them to collaborate

Brenable
2019-11-06 02:24:31 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

@Chris McLean Baron Lord of Hell please stop bumping your fucking mic

Brenable
2019-11-06 04:34:52 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

brb

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:05:35 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

oh sorry chief

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:05:39 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

im eatin rn

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:05:50 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Also that doesnt "debunk" anything lol

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:06:54 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

all i said at first was that the "100 miliion" meme is plain wrong, and it was between 10-40 million, and thats not even reducing numbers that were not unavoidable

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:10:49 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

ignoring that many of those were unavoidable deaths still atributed to the toll*

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:10:51 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

but sure

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:11:22 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

i never said they killed any

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:11:33 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

and i had many other problems with those statements

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:11:59 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

but yall latched on to the fact that 100 million isnt accurate, and acted like i didnt think any deaths happened

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:14:23 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

no, because one of my problems with your statements before was that "death toll" cant be attributed like that

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:14:43 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

and the soviet union was only semi-socialist for a small time of its lifespan

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:14:48 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

same with china

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:15:43 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

plus, death like that is not a result that arises out of socialism necessarily, whereas nazism/fascism it is necessary

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:16:43 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

no they arent lol

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:16:54 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

all i said was it wasnt 100 million

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:17:04 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

and that many of the deaths were misattributed

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:17:36 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

10-40 million for china, one source says 30 million(ignoring misattributed)

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:18:49 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

and ignoring possible miscalculations

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:18:50 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

no

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:19:16 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

12+ million of just victims in concentration camps

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:19:26 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

plus the 22+ million of soviets dead

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:19:39 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

at the lowest estimates

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:19:55 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

its less than china

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:20:02 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

with the same problems

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:20:17 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

misattributed, miscalculated, and inflated

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:20:33 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

its not like no one died, but its dumb to act like its ridiculously high

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:20:57 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

again, justified v unjustified

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:21:04 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

many

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:21:23 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

but that is their fault, and those nazis were killed justifiably

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:22:19 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

yeah, because the nazis were the ones who caused it, UNJUSTIFIABLY

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:22:34 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

they invaded and killed people based on their unjustified beliefs

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:22:51 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

That depends on what you mean

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:23:19 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

technically you as an individual will decide, but societally it should be the people with the best logic and the best data

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:23:40 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

yknow the ben shapiro meme "facts and logic", but unironically

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:23:55 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

data on what

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:23:59 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

justification>?

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:24:55 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

also i checked the numbers of estimated nazi deaths

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:25:32 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

around 5.3 million soldiers, 350 thousand civilians, that were killed by all the of allies combined

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:25:54 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

most were probablt from soviets tho, as they basically single handedly beat the nazis ass

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:26:59 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

yeah bc the soviets beat their fucking ass

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:28:00 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

nah, but lots of violence can be justified against nazis, especially if they continue to be nazis and support nazis and spread nazi ideas

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:28:10 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

they are still people

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:28:17 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

and id prefer to change their opinions

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:28:25 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

but if they dont they can have violence on them

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:28:42 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

THIS IS THE SAme argument

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:28:52 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

OH BUT YOU CAN JUSTIFY ANYTHING

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:28:53 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

NO SHIT

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:29:02 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

THATS HOW morality works

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:29:17 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

i can justify it better than nazis

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:29:34 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

and they cant justify it, even tho they try

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:30:02 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN TRY AND JUSTIFY IT, it doesnt make the groups the same

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:30:12 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

not even true

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:30:24 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

violent authoritarianism is inherent to nazism

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:30:28 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

not to communism

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:30:56 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

wow its almost like both groups are dissatisfied with the status quo and want to change it

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:30:58 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

crazy

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:31:05 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

nah

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:31:16 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

because violence on minorities isnt justified

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:31:21 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

but on nazis it is

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:31:30 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

why is this so hard to understand

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:32:16 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Stfu you know what I mean

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:32:28 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Oppressed groups

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:32:43 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Thatโ€™s not logic thatโ€™s semantics

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:32:48 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

You do know what I mean

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:33:38 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

I never said to massacre anyone

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:33:46 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Why do you guys jump to this

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:33:57 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

POSSIBLE VIOLENCE IF THEY DONT STOP BEING NAZIS

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:34:37 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

NO IT ISNT BC BEING A COMMIE IS JUSTIFIED

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:34:42 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

BEING A NAZI ISNT

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:35:59 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

The problem is, is that you just pretend like itโ€™s the same, because it uses some of the same logic, but it starts and ends in completely different places, with different justifications

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:36:22 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

No

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:36:52 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Iโ€™m saying that just because it might use SOME of the same logic(which is fine) doesnโ€™t mean itโ€™s the same thing

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:37:21 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

It would take so fucking long to explain to you all the complexities as to why communism is justified

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:37:39 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Are you a deontologist or utilitarian

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:38:05 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

NO SHIT BECAUSE EVERYONE JUSTIFIES SOME AMOUNT OF VIOLENCE

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:38:21 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

THIS IS LIKE PHILOSOPHY 101 AND POLI SCI 101

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:38:39 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

so do you

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:38:54 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Do you like borders??? Do you like some form of jails???

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:39:00 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

DO YOU LIKE ANY GOVERNMENT AT ALL

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:39:43 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

this idea that somehow nothing is ever justified,

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:39:49 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

No violence at all

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:40:01 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Is so fucking stupid

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:40:14 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

You all believe in violence to some extent

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:40:25 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Ok, are you true, total anarchists

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:40:34 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Do you want no government at all?

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:40:38 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Yes

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:41:09 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

If you arenโ€™t actual total anarchists, then you believe in some enforcement and some violence

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:41:26 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Pretending like no violence is justified is fucking stupid

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:41:46 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Ugh why do you want me to come back

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:42:08 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

So I can get talked over by people who straw man my position and then move the goalposts

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:42:41 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Some level of violence yes, the same way a capitalist government treats revolutionaries in their country

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:42:59 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

How the fuck are you supposed to enforce any laws or government without violence

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:43:10 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Just hope everyone listens?

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:43:24 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Yeah sure they arenโ€™t, but I donโ€™t mean like fucking shoot them

Brenable
2019-11-06 05:43:44 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Maybe some temporary containment or some other light punishment

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