I already said that black people in the Americas basically have no culture other than the 'culture of poverty' which is claimed as their own, idealized and becomes something to take pride in hence making it even worse imo

@communists

It's not `schpiel`, there's a difference between starting from nothing and literally being discriminated against completely (3/5s a man, etc) while I personally believe this has little relevance in the modern day and everyone in a free and fair society is able to achieve insofar as they are motivated, I do not think that can be ignored, In the context of the United States I think that the destruction of the family unit is responsible for the failure of the African-American community to develop and grow

I firmly believe that if a stable family unit were widespread in those communities, and a push to change the culture were made, it would not be the way it is today within a few decades

Exactly, hence why I said that in the present day the reason behind any failure to grow has been largely due to the destruction of the family unit

That is my opinion, anyway

I don't mean to sound rude, but a lot of what you say seems to be 'horseshit', you make biased generalizations without any proof or backing whatsoever, who says black people need white people to acknowledge them?

When did I say that black people need to be acknowledged by the white race in order to succeed?

I don't think so ...

Unless you seriously misinterpreted something I said

I didn't say that at all

I also said that has little relevance in the modern day and that ```
I firmly believe that if a stable family unit were widespread in those communities, and a push to change the culture were made, it would not be the way it is today within a few decades```

The fat controller laughed "you are wrong"

Yall really out here calling me gay because I referenced a badass reaction meme? 🆗

Anyway, Huff-

Do you remember when I outlined the 'culture of poverty' by Oscar Lewis?

Ignoring that stupid remark, one of the traits he outlined as being present and indicators of the culture of poverty were men as occasional contributors, fathers of many children, having 'bling' ornaments, being 'sharp dressers' (probably in the modern day buying all that brand name shit while being poor?) and women being the centre of the household due to the absence of and marginalization of men in that sphere

I don't think that in the present state the African American community can just fix itself, obviously someone from outside is going to have to fix the problem, and that is why I embrace civic nationalism

You said 'the shapeshifter' so yes, stupid remark

In a free and fair society, with high levels of state transparency and strong institutions, there is no reason to blame your failure on 'the system', meritocracy renders that excuse totally invalid; let everyone have equal opportunity and let everyone become part of a new and all-encompassing culture; a culture of loving your countrymen and loving your land, grow the land of your ancestors and harvest her fruits, become an innovator, solve your own problems, have a family and do not live outside your means, take care of the environment and do not let uncontrolled waves of people who do not share these values enter your country

He was Jewish, so what? His explanations of adaptations to poverty are literally plain to see

Are you work of his I've cited because he was a jew, because you disagree with them, or because you are trying to derail the argument?

It's probably your issue because you're the one complaining about them

So you do not see the following

- instant gratification
- women as the centre of the household; men as marginal, occasional contributors
- low aspirations
- men as 'sharp dressers'
- men fathering many children
- families with high incidences of cohabitation
- little reliance on banks and no investment strategies

As being present in the black community in America?

These are *literally* the first things you notice when you examine that community

Lewis said these are 'common adaptations to common problems', they're adaptations to poverty that become self-perpetuating

I said in my argument that I think it is much worse there (in America) because that group of Africans has little actual culture of their own

🤷 Lewis did not study poor households in Africa, he studied poor families in the USA (Largely 'urban') India and Mexico

But as I said, he did say that the same traits were found to some degree across all those areas because he believed them to be common 'solutions' to common problems

Oh, sorry the word is adaptations not solutions

Where I live the urban black community has the same problems as well, except instead of welfare they are held in check by gang leaders helping out their communities in exchange for loyalty and support

- checks server rules again before he makes a statement -

> adaptations to poverty
> says he sees the same problems wherever they go
> still 'doesn't buy it'

I don't know that it is genetic, I'd like to think not considering that problems like that are really endemic in certain parts of my country

I recently read somewhere that new statistics on our violent crime were not released because Afro-Trinidadian men were committing crime in the 90th percentile

Are you fucking stupid?

I literally said why

I just feel like you are reading what you want to read and you're just blind to everything else

You mean it's not baseless conjecture and racist ranting like you're used to?

Your entire argument is just a racist rant

You're not even trying to come up with any sort of solutions

Unironically they live in the same country as you so it's yours too

I don't know if you think you live in some white ethnostate but fam, you don't

reparations is a no-no

@Komrade Kam ?

There it is, the final strawman 📿

Bruh I understand that you're new but is something wrong with u

How do you know he is croatian?

Rule 7? That lolicon thing?

I gotta go @Huff I enjoyed our discussion even if we still ended up disagreeing 🆗

Who is that

@Huff So was I 😂

@Bearer Of The Curse I have never read much into IQ (just yet), I study sociology atm and argue with what I've read; once I finish the book I'm reading atm perhaps if you give me something new to read I can get enlightened

@Bearer Of The Curse You don't understand how bad it can get

I live in the Caribbean and I study history and sociology, as well as chem, but man

It's not a degree 🆗

A-Level student

She's an anti-vax marxist black nationalist

Okay now I'm leaving 🆗

Hello there

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