Yo

And some random island off Scotland

Aye, its in their interest to support Republican policies after that

As in if you owned a business, you're going to be more likely to vote Republican

Well, no not necessarily you don't have to own a company to actively provide that service you just facilitate the transactions which do

But for small business

Certainly

Well, those who own a business aren't necessarily the ones who put the active work in. Its a Marx perspective on the value of Labour

Merry Christmas

Probably not many, its very difficult for small business owners to survive

Its a lot of work

And many don't survive the initial few months

Wdym by hole?

Oh shit, just remembered I need to watch Home Alone

Certainly, the entrepreneurial hardworking spirit is what keeps an economy alive but the good thing is you reap what you sow

@BIRdOS You killed chat 👏

Why does this server have so many channels?

Seems a bit over the top

Can't argue with that logic

Appreciating that the server has a green tick mark

What even was the story?

@windows96 DM it

Pls m9

I didn't get the same result as you, probs different search engine

Wait

You get warned for DMs lol?

Using Duck Duck go

Is that in Minecraft or...?

Nah its simply to prevent infection from you onto others

Honest opinion on Socialists?

Anti-Social Socialist

Wdym by Orwellianists?

As in you want the society in 1984?

As in the book

1984

I'm just confused by what Meepling said when he said he preferred Orwellianism

I've heard of it and know of it, haven't read it

I've got some books to catch up on

As in I'm skim reading Das Kapital and looking at Utopian Socialist books

I've read road to serfdom

Das Kapital is a very hefty read, it lays out Marxist economic thought

Cats Cradle

And Utopia The History of an Idea

Ye

No, only Das Kapital was written in German originally but has been broadly translated you can get it for free

Its not a light read for sure

Its effectively the underpinning of hard left-wing economic thought

@Meepling You approve of the society in 1984!?

How do you know what communism is if you don't learn about it?

I mean, it does propose interesting ideas

Be that as it may, ideas of class and ownership of firms is very relevant today

So its best to approach these things with an open mind

Aye, the best approach for me would be to have a system where directors of firms in large corporations such as Amazon and etc are democratically elected

You've become the very thing you swore to destroy!

That exact mindset led to the killings of 100,000s

In fact millions

It wasn't out of an inherent ideological disposition, just dehumanisation and hatred of the other side

That's still discrimination against an individual for holding a belief you don't agree with

And who decides who is a communist?

Depends on which communist you ask

Idk, used to be a Social-Liberal but definitely have switched leftwards

Not a commie

You can literally say that about anything new

With the intention to help people

The argument against Capitalism is best found in the history books

Capitalist states in Africa

Central Asia

The Middle east

Etc etc

Hell it was only due to Labour Unions

That we managed to gain effective working hour limits

And safety restrictions

For sure

On the contrary states like the DRC have plenty of Natural resources and population yet they fail to successfully grow and are caught in the grip of foreign corporations

So you hate democracy, think communists should be exiled what else?

America has operated with the principles of democracy of elections for almost 3 centuries

Aye Corporations buy off politicians in the ruling class, this is the effective result of monolithic corporations looking to perpetuate their interests

I'm just looking for some democratic accountability

To prevent corporations from discouraging unions

And overworking for little gain for the employee

Which has only been allowed to occur from concentrating companies into a few corporations

Giving an unbalanced system of economic power and influence

We have those institutions in place, but yet here we are in this situation

Besides international corporations exist

And the very same corruption from these economic monoliths leads to these Trust busting organisations to be ineffective

Along with this, sometimes competition just can't occur

A market is naturally can be inclined to form a monopoly

Socialists and Capitalists alike can agree on that

What about the UK?

He cloaked his authoritarianism in the rhetoric of Socialism, revolution and coups are a dangerous thing

For any ideology

No way it's the Norwegian flag 🇸🇯

How so?

Other than the whole slavery thing ofc

https://c.tenor.com/RbnaVKj3e88AAAAM/why-are-you-booing-me-im-right.gif

They thought black people were lesser than them?

I mean ngl

Idk how evil you can get with that

Ahhh, that makes the Slavery heritage fine because people did it back then

That's circular logic