syria was an imperialist colony and they were doing fantastic before their civil war <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>

phillipines

indonesia

vietnam

all ex-colonies

the empire did nothing wrong

@M4Gunner oh...sorry for a sec there I thought you were going to go on a rant about trans women

IDK what terf means actually I just find this meme kinda funny

Mostly cus I posted it in a feminist server an they exploded

the meme with terfs is kinda funny

and American capitalism is fucking the environment hard

but elsewhere in the world mostly europe capitalism profits off of being environmentally concerned

and ovepropulation is absolutely fucking everything even remotely connected to the environment in places like China

re: that meme

how dare capitalism allow so many people to not starve

@obrallaghan actually it causes people to starve

actually it doesn't

It dose..but it's meme time so we'll talk about this later

there's no objective metric by which you could make that claim

eh if you'Re talking about pure capitalism

people would starve to death left and right

but we don't live in hardcore ancap capitalism

socialist policies keep us from starving when we lost our job m8 <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>

no they wouldn't, as a very small portion of the population maybe gets like an aditional 500 to maybe 1000 calories paid for by social services

you'd find most on welfare are actually overweight anyways

food was never an issue

that's not an accurate metric, there are other differences between true capitalism and actually doable capitalism that prevent people from starving <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>

true capitalism would just me that I personally would have more in my bank account at the end of the month

therefore more food for me and less social services

the west is "true capitalism" with socialist systems leaching on top of it

I don't think you realise just how much was changed from the original idea of capitalism until it could actually sensibly work <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>

excluding everything that you call socialist even <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>

you'd have to explain to me how my company paying me a nice wage for my productivity so that they can make even more money themselves isn't "true capitalism"

bruh that's over 9000 on the simplification scale

no it isn't

the company started from nothing

I know the owners

have you even read ricardo, jean jacques rousseau or kaynes? <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>

and in what sense is it not true capitalism then?

if you're unable to explain it I'd have to wager you don't really understand what you're saying

because 'laissez-faire' as it's referred to which is also a term that changed over the years is different from American capitalism or even just libertarian capitalism

who said anything about laisez fair?

the original idea of capitalism was basically without rules, regulations weren'T a thing, consumer protection was an idea that hadn't even been invented yet

how is someone taking their own money, and making a profit generating service not true capitalism

that's capitalism

I'm talking about the 'true' original capitilism

I've only ever worked for small to medium companies where I knew the owner, who started the company from nothing

the fucking word capitilism is giving me a spelling disorder

true capitalism is a live and well

bruh

that's a small fraction of it

tiny fraction

of the bigger picture

it doesn't make it not capitalism

cool that you worked for small to medium companies that came from nothing

that's like 1% of either capitalism

it's called free enterprise

I never said it wasn't capitalism <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>

then I don't know how you see that as not genuine

because under genuine capitalism those companies would have had no rules to abide to and could potentially have been fucked out of the market through industrial espionage or other means

if this case whatever true might mean seems trivial to the reality that people can start their own productive profit generating systems on their own free will

that's why we had great people like ricardo draft the first ideas of a proper free market

outlining the role of the state as being as little as possible but at minimum the protection of the consumer's rights

which was a completely foreign concept to the previous capitalists

to quote ricardo himself: "Beware of capitalists"

I've never worked for a company that received government subsidies or loans, only loans from people looking to make a profit on said loans

because free market wasn't the same as capitalism back then

who the fuck mentioned subsidies or loans <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>

I don't know how you could know someone who made a million dollar company out of nothing and say "that's not TRUE capitalism"

whatever the true part means must be utterly trivial and pedantic

true = original

the stuff ricardo and other free-marketeers warned about when they said that capitalism is to be feared and that a free-market is much better

you are getting way too hung up on just the core principles of capitalism which noone ever attacked

what I just explained is a free market, the fact that the company had to abide by certain laws or regulations doesn't seem to make the capital generation any less "true"

the point was whether capitalism would starve people

the answer is a resounding yes, only that we had the time to adapt it in ways that would be much better to the people below it

in what sense would it starve people?

there is no reason why we should introduce communism, a system not as developed that would inevitably lead to poverty and famines in the hope that we would one day refine it as much as capitalism

you're saying that no one would come up with the idea of providing high calorie meals at very low costs in a "true capitalist" system?

because I would imagine the opposite

because that's literally what it did for most of its early existence

the only reason why people managed to survive is because they created food themselves

if you're talking about prior to the industrial revolution then I hardly see how that's relevant

yes I am

because that is the time it took for capitalism to develop

and the whole point is

we shouldn't introduce an unrefined communist system

if we already have a capitalist one

that we had 5000 years to refine for

to turn it from what was essentially a slavemaker's handbook several hundred years ago into the flourishing meritocracy it has become

that would be like saying language is not really "true language" because it took years to develop

capitalism feeds people in the end

the only way in which it would have suddenly fed everyone prior to the industrial revolution would be some sort of magical witchcraft

the point is, it didn't use to do that

and no the reason why we managed to feed people is because of the introduction of free market policies