>Using a force ability previously unseen, which is not bullshit and was instead fucking cool?
yeah, forcing yourself to death is totally not bullshit

and him actually *not* being there in person is totally cool, and not incredibly lame and completely pointless

His ship was underwater.

And presumably has been for years.

and don't act like the New Republic being met with difficulty is a new concept

He seemed fully intent to never leave and Rey took the only shijp on the island back to *the plot*

>his ship was underwater
hmmmm if only we knew that jedi could lift large objects from underneath water hmmmmm

Presumably, if a ship has been udnerwater for years, it may be a little waterlogged?

maybe damaged? Maybe unable to fly anymore?

then don't do that then?

don't write it like that?

He never intended to leave.

Which is a douchebag move on Luke's part but it's how it was written.

two small changes and this is fixed
luke lifts the x-wing out of the water after his talk with yoda (and yoda *doesn't* use the force to summon lightning, that's stupid), and leave R2 behind with him after he requests it

there is no way that R2 and Luke cannot repair the ship that they used for decades

even if it's only a temporary fix

In the time that they need, I doubt it. And plus, this trilogy's point is to hand it off to the new generation.

Would you prefer Obi-Wan not sactifice himself to the force and instead tag along as daddy gandalf?

sure, but there is no reason not to have luke there in the flesh

no, but obi-wan took direct action and died *there* from that action

luke went home, sulked, jerked off, and then decided he'd meditate or something see if that works, and then dies

one of those things has a bit more weight than the other

Obi-Wan's death was to help Luke escape the death star, to escape Vader

he laid down his life to save this farm boy

Luke's death is him deciding he'll skype kylo and then kill himself

Luke had lost all faith in himself, because he had failed to prevent the rise of the next dark lord. Rey helped him regain some of that faith so he used his tremendous amounts of force powers to taunt Kylo and buy time.

Here's another angle.

again, there is 0 reason why that couldn't have been done in the flesh

luke should have been cut down by kylo in person

Luke made a point that there's this huge legend about him out there, but his life wasn't nearly as good as the legends would have you say. Him appearing as an untouchable holographic projection adds to how legendary he is.

that's a gay reason

If Kylo *had* killed him, it would've
A) sent Kylo further to the dark
B) Made Luke a mere mortal

Luke *was* a mere mortal

instead, Kylo can't kill the past he wants to, and Luke's legend is made more legendary.

Luke is, but his legend isn't.

It's that whole hope thing the movie tlaked about near the end.

that's all he wanted to be
he was a Jedi, but he wasn't this invincible thing

Also, we're totes gonna have force ghost luke later

he never taught her lesson 3

Luke wasn't after fame and glory.

Why would he care about being a legend?

right, because the legend of Obi-Wan was diminished when he *dueled the most evil man in the galaxy on board of the most destructive superweapon in history to save a farmboy*

oh wait, it wasn't

The galaxy may not even know much of Obi-Wan anymore

Luke's legend wouldn't have suffered from him facing kylo mano el mano

most would presume he died during order 66

and after that a shitload of jedi stories got purged

also, luke never even taught rey lessons 1 and 2

luke didn't teach rey shit

fuck tlj nothing happens

Nothing happens?

yes

the resistence gets reduced to a handful of people, Snoke gets chopped in half, Kylo becomes supereme leader

Luke dies, Rey learns her parents were nobodies and she doesn't have to be someone special's kid to be special

the resistence and the first order are in the exact same position they were in at the beggining of the movie

Finn learns that there are peaople dealing weapons to boths ides

luke contributes nothing so his death doesn't matter

the exat position???

there's a total change of leadership@

finn has no character arc

a fuckload of people died on both sides!

yes, the exact postion

the first order is still impossibly massive

the resistance is still impossibly small

Rey can probably lift an entire planet with the Force by now.

leadership changes happen all the fucking time

But that's a change

you said nothing changes

the first order still has their huge fuck off star destroyer

nothing changes

Whot?

because the change doesn't matter

you mean the snokemobile?

it was sorta... cut in half?

if the change means nothing

or were we not watching the same movie?

yeah, but did it explode?

Rey can just snap her fingers and wipe out half of the First Order.

No but it's fucking chopped in half

because nothing has ever been repaired, ever

I doubt it's going much of anywhere fast

the *vast* majority of that ship is still functional, and not gone

Dude, the first order won this round, that was kinda the point too

They reduced the resistance to enough people to cram into the falcon

TLJ was just a shittier version of Empire change my mind

Empire followed a cookie cutter plot that has become one of the most over-troped twists of all time.

everything you're saying is completely meaningless

"so many people died!" and yet *nothing fucking changed*

We already saw Leia Poppins. Rey can now force-fly through space.

Fite me IRL

YES CAUSE

YANNOW

YOU CAN PULL THINGS WITH THE FORCE

and if there's no GRAVITY

you get pulled TOWARDS the thing

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yes, but how did she survive the vacuum of space?

that's my biggest issue with that

she's human

she's untrained