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@Azrael okay, if you're that advanced scientifically, why aren't you fixing the middle-east?
why did you need the west to make suadia arabia
Maybe because the USA and Israel keeps meddling with the countries?
why the degeneracy of not allowing women to drive
Stop bringing saudi up
USA couped Iran twice
they should blow it up don't you think?
@Kami saudi arabia allowed women to drive, I dont know where they got the idea from
Blow what up?
USA couped Iran because Iran wanted to nationalize its oil
I told you I dont know where saudi got the idea frim
what does islam have to offer?
There was literally female muslim warriors during the time of muhammed
other than crulity and restrictions?
>cruelty and restrictions
This world isnt about enjoying, its about obeying God
Sure we can enjoy our life
being cruel against jews and non-believers, not making christians, jews or non-believer friends
so, you're telling me... you aren't suppoused to enjoy the life god has given you?
@Kami which is why the prophet allowed jews and christians to keep there synagogues and churches in the islamic state right?
Which is also why the prophet had alliances with jews and christians yeah?
which was stated multiple times in the bible, that you're suppoused to accept the gift of life
> so, you're telling me... you aren't suppoused to enjoy the life god has given you?
I didnt finish my sentence because you posted something else, I said we can enioy our life, but we obey God
he killed jews who tried to kill him
Yes he did LOL, he literally had an alliance with the jews in banu qurayza, but the jews betrayed him and tried to kill him, in which they lost
rape and genocide of buddhists, assyrians, babylonians
rades of their nations
He had alliances with Jews which helped to retake mecca
Rape is prohibited
Rape gets you executed
@Azrael if he had god on his side, why didn't he leave god to do the work? why didn't he try to get commands from the god about it?
jews are afterall "god's people"
Theres a verse in the quran which says whenever you go in war never loot or rape people, kill children, the sick, elderly etc.
> @Azrael if he had god on his side, why didn't he leave god to do the work? why didn't he try to get commands from the god about it?
Thats why I told you read the document you dumb fuck
you broke the law you have written
Muhammed didnt rape
his followers and people under his control did...
Like who, you’re not using any evidence
genocide of 300mil buddhists
>300 mill buddhists
Fake, well done for actually believing that retarded picture
That retarded picture which says Islam genocided 1 billion people in total
Aurangzeb was a mentally retarded person
He persecuted Shias too
because you're retarded
Ok christian larper
all of that
ok, start calling me names...
@Kami “arab invasion”
The byzantines and persians were closing in Arabia, jerusalem controlled by the persians and syria ETC.
It was during the age of empires, either you conquer or get conquered
my friend is calling me, I will go do something productive instead of debating a sand nigger
The byzantines & persians almost controlled arabia
Read the doc too
so, i was watching this movie "no country for old men" last night and....I noticed that in the movie, they portray whites in the south in a very stereotypical way. almost comical. and the Cohen brothers (the directors of that movie and many others) always do that. they make fun of white people BUT they never introduce a black character that has flaws or is weak or dependant on other people etc. The cohen brothers happen to be jews. so I wonder...what does that even mean?
one possible explanation is just Political correctness going to far, to the point of idiocy. There's obviously a more sinister explanation.
One can wonder if the millenials were (zoomers are) influenced (and how much?) by the repetition of these type of popular culture products.
White man hate huh
The only hate that isn't considered as racist or sexist
If you let your child bellow the age of 16 use snapchat you’re a bad parent
At least they've finally admitted to it, Trump is pushing back against postmodernism, despite being a mere moderate.
wew m8, imagine being a leftist today with your selective outrage and blatant arrogance, comparing yourself to blacks during the civil rights movement fighting segregation and legitimate racism.
So because of one declaration by the SCOTUS in 1883, we should just open up to the demands of whatever anyone wants or says they are entitled to, no matter how ludicrous and how many other federal laws it contradicts with?
And what does that have to do with leftists today screaming about the alleged erosion of civil rights, xenophobia, allegedly unjust incarceration, and alleged racism,
The people who marched during the civil rights movement and before then actually faced legitimate racism and in some cases, violent hate crimes against them, fully endorsed by politicians and other officials.
this does not happen today. There are no police and firefighters hosing blacks with high pressure firehoses. Minority kids are not being prohibited from entering certain schools. Blacks are not being lynched. There are no crosses being burnt on lawns of black households. There is no legal segregation. The paygap between men and women does not exist any longer. And as long as you can sign your name, you can register to vote.
lnstead, they say that anyone who does not want full blown amnesty, open borders, transexuals reading books to children in classrooms, abolition of the second amendment, and the destruction of statues that have been standing for over 50 years,, you are a racist nazi upholding white supremacy.
you are campaigning for equity under the guise of equality
if all you want is equality, you can shut up now. You have it, now go away
Your kind have asked for "compromise" for at least a century, and when compromises are made you just escalate your demands and ask for compromise again. You will never stop, so your positions should be completely ignored and your "compromises" reversed.
@Fred the Fish That passage from their decision is wrong, since in many states free blacks didn't enjoy the same essential rights as white citizens. But they were right, the 14th Amendment never gives Congress the power to legislate against that.
@agag can you post something (ever) that is NOT antagonazing some one else ?
@John Rebuttal Ok, I agree with NormieCamo that many people today pursue equity under the guise of equality
when was the last time a black person was lynched
when was the last time you saw a black and white water fountain
or a whites only swimming pool
yeah losing that legislation was a bad thing for Reconstruction but it's Congress's fault for passing it under the 14th Amendment
I don’t think any of us was born before the 1950’s to see any of that but yea it was a long time
You are an actual brainlet to say any of the things that happened during and before the civil rights movement towards blacks still goes on today.
>it just looks different
Let me get this straight then
the SCOTUS doesn't exist to legislate or make the most utilitarian decisions, it exists to interpret the Constitution, and the Constitution does not give Congress the right to legislate against private discrimination under the 14th
the good news is it does give them the right to do that under the Commerce Clause
which is what they used in the 60s
so a black child like Emmett Till being drug behind a truck because he was black is just as bad and the same as someone calling a black person a nigger or assuming a black person is going to steal
lt's the same because it's racism
This is your logic
under the Commerce Clause in 64
that was the major difference
the "racism" that exists today is a mere shell of what it used to be. To say it is as bad as the 1960's and before is such a ludicrous statement that even blacks that lived way back when they weren;t even allowed in the same restaraunt as whites, would disagree with you.
And if the US is such a racist clusterfuck then why not live in another country, or maybe a continent of blacks
You aren't even negating the points l made, you're just trying to dumb it down and say "racism still exists and we're still fighting what civil rights advocates did"
Even before l said that, you have not proved to me my points were invalid.
You pretty much just said, "yea they do exist"
l listed off some of the worst treatment blacks experienced in the early 20th century, and said that they do not occur today at all or not by the shear numbers they did then, and all you said was "yes they do"
The closest thing l can think of that most resembles segregation-era treatment of blacks is Rodney King's beating by LAPD in 1991.
for one thing, the 1875 act didn't even do anything. Nobody ever bothered to enforce it.
@Fred the Fish do you think whites should pay reparations for slavery and racism of the past
the other thing is that you don't need a mentality to justify overturning it, show me where in the 14th Amendment Congress is given the power to regulate private discrimination
Mord is right, the racism that exists today is nowhere near the level of the racism that existed 50 years ago
there's obviously still a negative legacy from segregation, but it's diminishing as time goes on
what kind of legislation do you even want to reduce it even further
yeah lol we need to protect black communities from gentrification
let's stop wypipo from moving into their communities
l mean on some college campuses the minority students have advocated for certain dorm areas to be only people of color
yeah I don't know how they don't realize the contradiction
@Fred the Fish do you think that we should be paying reparations for any injustice Black people have endured against white people? You’re playing an idealistic game that isn’t possible
Surely if you throw money at something it goes away and solves the problem once and for all
yeah we know we can't just free blacks from slavery and expect things to get better
that's why we passed Civil Rights legislation in the 60s
lf the government suddenly decided to write a 1 million dollar check to every black person in the US, in the 10 years not only would all that money be spent on material things, they would come around and say it wasn't enough and we'd be back to square one.
I have seen people value reparations at $5 trillion
it is a pipedream and always will be
This is the form """racism""" takes today
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like $380k each
If you are half black do you pay your reparations to yourself?
150k would be for the same guys low estimate
l'm contemplating on pinning that
who has to pay reparations anyway
do Asians or Hispanics who weren't in this country when slavery existed have to pay reparations?
do whites whose ancestors never owned slaves have to pay reparations?
do Native Americans whose ancestors did own slaves have to pay reparations?
you would have to trace back all the white ancestors who owned slaves
and it wasn't just whites
does Puerto Rico have to pay reparations since they don't pay federal income tax?
lt was jews, native americans, other blacks, etc..
so the American people as a whole?
Because that went to the debt
are you going to have black taxpayers pay their own reparations?
Also, what happens when that doesn't fix the problems blacks have, and they decide that we just didn't give them enough?
Just keep doing it until we run out of money?
lf the government suddenly decided to write a 1 million dollar check to every black person in the US, in 10 years not only would all that money be spent on material things, they would come around and say it wasn't enough and we'd be back to square one.
They were right then too
Earth is round, same mentality as the people who denied flat Earth in 1880
where are you going to get the money?
From ypipo and the rich
37 million blacks in this country
how much do you want to pay to each black person
Set up a system that systematically gives them advantages in welfare, schooling and college admission
This is just further proof that you want equity and not equality
the barrage of questions inevitably follows because they're legitimate questions
Nobody deserves money for past "wrongdoings"
I do not support reparations for any group
Unless payable by those responsible
because it's irrational
I will not give a dime to any reparation because I have done nothing wrong
@Fred the Fish do black people in power (most likely democrats) empower common black people? If you say yes that’ll show me how irrational you are
Against my will
lt is irrational in the same way that German citizens were forced to pay reperations for the Holocaust
Are you saying the bank bailout was good and justified?
Because you just did say that
what about all those who were affected by the Holodomor
or any other genocide
"Broach the topic of the earth being flat today and a barrage of questions inevitably follows: Why does everyone agree the earth isn't flat? Why could you measure the circumference of the earth 2000 years ago in Ancient Greece? Why can you circumnavigate the globe?"
Well you literally are asking for money to excuse slavery
but want us to stop using money as an excuse to not pay for it
>"why are you making this about money?"
Fred has yet to bring about a substantial argument for why racism as bad or worse as before 1964 still exists and why we should pay reparations for any wrongdoing we have done to Black people
@Mord it wouldn't surprise me if Ukrainians would want reparations for the Holodomor
Or the Armenians for their genocide
I think the justification for Holocaust reparations was that Jews were displaced from Europe as a result and that the Germans needed to pay for their resettlement elsewhere
Or Poland demanding WW2 reparations in retaliation for being ordered to accept migrants
You are wrong
But then again I’m not Armenian so that was a guess
Why should we concede
also they were paid immediately after to people who survived it first hand
you're ignoring the fundamental problems with the idea of reparations
Your plan is about as rational as people who say "if the government gave everyone money we'd all be rich"
You have put zero thought into it
how much money do you suggest paying to black people?
It would be a waste of time
do you want to know what Congress's conclusion would be
If you can find a way to resurrect a slave owner, you can charge him for reparations. Otherwise, it is unjustifiable
it would be, "holy shit, this is way too expensive"
"let's not do this ever"
hypothetically they decide to pay $1000 to every single black person in this country
37,144,530 x 1000
So you're saying the bank bailout was good
bailing out a fundamental part of the American economy is not comparable to paying reparations to one subset of the country
Yes or no, do you think the bank bailout was a good decision? @Fred the Fish
I just want to determine if you are arguing in bad faith here
my guess would be no
If the bank bailout was not a good decision, why are you using it as an example of how a mass payout can be conducted successfully?
You either support the bailout or you simply don't care if your arguments make sense so long as you get what you want
The latter means you're willing to decieve people to get your payoff, why should anyone take what you say seriously if that is the case?
How do you respond to this?
Take your time
i sent that before lmao
it doesn't matter who the traditional authors of the Gospels were, what matters is where their information comes from
we know that they were based on pre-existing sources like the Q document
and from the creed in 1 Corinthians 15 we also know that more or less the same story was being taught by the Jerusalem church very shortly after Jesus's death
1 Corinthians 15:3-4
**1 Corinthians 15:3-4 - New King James Version (NKJV)**
<3> For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, <4> and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, ```
It does matter
We have no idea of who authored ANY of the four Gospels of the Canon. They are anonymous documents, with the words "according to" Matthew, Mark, Luke and John appended to them in the late 2nd century. The Gospels are not eyewitness accounts, for they are all written in the 3rd person. Moreover, it is indeed odd that Matthew (supposedly an apostle of Jesus) copied virtually verbatim from a non-apostle, Mark (who is unknown). We have no record of the sources of the Gospels.
In sum, the Gospel stories are HEARSAY acounts from unknown authors. They were also not written in the mother tongue of Jesus and the apostles (Aramaic), so Jesus' words are not preserved. We can be fairly confident that the NT documents did not undergo substantial change after the Council of Nicaea (325 CE) - that much is true - but that presents no evidence that the originals were reliable accounts.
they were not written in the mother tongue because the common language at that time was Koine Greek
the Apostles also used the Septuagint Bible despite speaking Aramaic as their primary language
I could grant that
You didn’t respond to my whole argument. I can continue this tomorrow, until then you can layout your complete response.
the eyewitness stuff doesn't really matter that much since we know that the core Gospel story was being taught by the Jerusalem Church very shortly after Jesus's death
which refutes the Muslim idea that the entire story of Jesus was corrupted from Jesus never dying or being crucified at all to Jesus dying on the cross
St Paul visited Jerusalem after three years
**Galatians 1:18 - New King James Version (NKJV)**
Contacts at Jerusalem
<18> Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days. ```
this is when he would have received the 1 Corinthians 15:3-5 creed
**1 Corinthians 15:3-5 - New King James Version (NKJV)**
<3> For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, <4> and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, <5> and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. ```