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2018-09-22 13:18:29 UTC

Its only 2 pages or so long

2018-09-22 13:18:31 UTC

@Azrael okay, if you're that advanced scientifically, why aren't you fixing the middle-east?

2018-09-22 13:18:54 UTC

why did you need the west to make suadia arabia

2018-09-22 13:19:10 UTC

Maybe because the USA and Israel keeps meddling with the countries?

2018-09-22 13:19:14 UTC

why the degeneracy of not allowing women to drive

2018-09-22 13:19:19 UTC

Stop bringing saudi up

2018-09-22 13:19:22 UTC

Iโ€™m Iranian

2018-09-22 13:19:27 UTC

USA couped Iran twice

2018-09-22 13:19:37 UTC

they should blow it up don't you think?

2018-09-22 13:19:44 UTC

@Kami saudi arabia allowed women to drive, I dont know where they got the idea from

2018-09-22 13:19:50 UTC

Blow what up?

2018-09-22 13:20:02 UTC

@Azrael from it being legalised a month or two ago

2018-09-22 13:20:09 UTC

USA couped Iran because Iran wanted to nationalize its oil

2018-09-22 13:20:28 UTC

I told you I dont know where saudi got the idea frim

2018-09-22 13:20:31 UTC

Theyโ€™re retarded

2018-09-22 13:20:33 UTC

what does islam have to offer?

2018-09-22 13:20:43 UTC

There was literally female muslim warriors during the time of muhammed

2018-09-22 13:20:48 UTC

other than crulity and restrictions?

2018-09-22 13:20:55 UTC

>cruelty and restrictions

2018-09-22 13:20:57 UTC


2018-09-22 13:21:10 UTC

This world isnt about enjoying, its about obeying God

2018-09-22 13:21:13 UTC

Secular cuck

2018-09-22 13:21:29 UTC

Sure we can enjoy our life

2018-09-22 13:21:37 UTC

being cruel against jews and non-believers, not making christians, jews or non-believer friends

2018-09-22 13:22:14 UTC

so, you're telling me... you aren't suppoused to enjoy the life god has given you?

2018-09-22 13:22:34 UTC

@Kami which is why the prophet allowed jews and christians to keep there synagogues and churches in the islamic state right?
Which is also why the prophet had alliances with jews and christians yeah?

2018-09-22 13:22:36 UTC

which was stated multiple times in the bible, that you're suppoused to accept the gift of life

2018-09-22 13:22:47 UTC

@Azrael no lmao

2018-09-22 13:22:58 UTC

@Azrael he didn't have alliances

2018-09-22 13:23:03 UTC

> so, you're telling me... you aren't suppoused to enjoy the life god has given you?
I didnt finish my sentence because you posted something else, I said we can enioy our life, but we obey God

2018-09-22 13:23:05 UTC

he killed jews who tried to kill him

2018-09-22 13:23:43 UTC

Yes he did LOL, he literally had an alliance with the jews in banu qurayza, but the jews betrayed him and tried to kill him, in which they lost

2018-09-22 13:23:49 UTC

rape and genocide of buddhists, assyrians, babylonians

2018-09-22 13:24:01 UTC

rades of their nations

2018-09-22 13:24:11 UTC

He had alliances with Jews which helped to retake mecca

2018-09-22 13:24:22 UTC

@Kami stop using emotional arguments and use some proof

2018-09-22 13:24:28 UTC

Rape is prohibited

2018-09-22 13:24:33 UTC

Rape gets you executed

2018-09-22 13:24:41 UTC

@Azrael if he had god on his side, why didn't he leave god to do the work? why didn't he try to get commands from the god about it?

2018-09-22 13:24:49 UTC

jews are afterall "god's people"

2018-09-22 13:24:54 UTC

Theres a verse in the quran which says whenever you go in war never loot or rape people, kill children, the sick, elderly etc.

2018-09-22 13:25:11 UTC

> @Azrael if he had god on his side, why didn't he leave god to do the work? why didn't he try to get commands from the god about it?

Thats why I told you read the document you dumb fuck

2018-09-22 13:25:27 UTC

@Azrael okay, so you broke your own rules multiple times?

2018-09-22 13:25:37 UTC

you broke the law you have written

2018-09-22 13:25:42 UTC

Whoโ€™s you

2018-09-22 13:25:45 UTC

Muhammed didnt rape

2018-09-22 13:25:47 UTC

Or genocide

2018-09-22 13:25:58 UTC

his followers and people under his control did...

2018-09-22 13:26:10 UTC

Like who, youโ€™re not using any evidence

2018-09-22 13:26:24 UTC

genocide of 300mil buddhists

2018-09-22 13:26:47 UTC

>300 mill buddhists

Fake, well done for actually believing that retarded picture

2018-09-22 13:27:22 UTC

which picture?

2018-09-22 13:27:35 UTC

That retarded picture which says Islam genocided 1 billion people in total

2018-09-22 13:27:51 UTC


2018-09-22 13:27:56 UTC

which picture?

2018-09-22 13:28:00 UTC


2018-09-22 13:28:07 UTC

Aurangzeb was a mentally retarded person

2018-09-22 13:28:11 UTC

He persecuted Shias too

2018-09-22 13:28:13 UTC

Iโ€™m Shia

2018-09-22 13:28:20 UTC

because you're retarded

2018-09-22 13:28:29 UTC

Ok christian larper

2018-09-22 13:28:32 UTC


2018-09-22 13:28:34 UTC


2018-09-22 13:28:44 UTC

arab invasion

2018-09-22 13:28:48 UTC

all of that

2018-09-22 13:28:54 UTC

ok, start calling me names...

2018-09-22 13:29:50 UTC

@Kami โ€œarab invasionโ€

The byzantines and persians were closing in Arabia, jerusalem controlled by the persians and syria ETC.

It was during the age of empires, either you conquer or get conquered

2018-09-22 13:29:52 UTC

my friend is calling me, I will go do something productive instead of debating a sand nigger

2018-09-22 13:30:12 UTC

The byzantines & persians almost controlled arabia

2018-09-22 13:30:26 UTC

But later on got fucked @Kami


2018-09-22 13:30:51 UTC

Read the doc too

2018-09-22 13:39:04 UTC

@Azrael go stone your mom

2018-09-22 18:12:56 UTC

2018-09-22 18:13:00 UTC


2018-09-23 00:34:10 UTC

so, i was watching this movie "no country for old men" last night and....I noticed that in the movie, they portray whites in the south in a very stereotypical way. almost comical. and the Cohen brothers (the directors of that movie and many others) always do that. they make fun of white people BUT they never introduce a black character that has flaws or is weak or dependant on other people etc. The cohen brothers happen to be jews. so I wonder...what does that even mean?

2018-09-23 00:36:15 UTC

one possible explanation is just Political correctness going to far, to the point of idiocy. There's obviously a more sinister explanation.

2018-09-23 00:38:02 UTC

One can wonder if the millenials were (zoomers are) influenced (and how much?) by the repetition of these type of popular culture products.

2018-09-23 02:31:35 UTC

White man hate huh

2018-09-23 02:33:08 UTC

The only hate that isn't considered as racist or sexist

2018-09-23 13:18:45 UTC

If you let your child bellow the age of 16 use snapchat youโ€™re a bad parent


2018-09-23 16:26:20 UTC

At least they've finally admitted to it, Trump is pushing back against postmodernism, despite being a mere moderate.

2018-09-23 16:33:48 UTC

wew m8, imagine being a leftist today with your selective outrage and blatant arrogance, comparing yourself to blacks during the civil rights movement fighting segregation and legitimate racism.

2018-09-23 17:02:04 UTC

So because of one declaration by the SCOTUS in 1883, we should just open up to the demands of whatever anyone wants or says they are entitled to, no matter how ludicrous and how many other federal laws it contradicts with?
And what does that have to do with leftists today screaming about the alleged erosion of civil rights, xenophobia, allegedly unjust incarceration, and alleged racism,

2018-09-23 17:03:11 UTC

The people who marched during the civil rights movement and before then actually faced legitimate racism and in some cases, violent hate crimes against them, fully endorsed by politicians and other officials.

2018-09-23 17:05:29 UTC

this does not happen today. There are no police and firefighters hosing blacks with high pressure firehoses. Minority kids are not being prohibited from entering certain schools. Blacks are not being lynched. There are no crosses being burnt on lawns of black households. There is no legal segregation. The paygap between men and women does not exist any longer. And as long as you can sign your name, you can register to vote.

2018-09-23 17:07:51 UTC

lnstead, they say that anyone who does not want full blown amnesty, open borders, transexuals reading books to children in classrooms, abolition of the second amendment, and the destruction of statues that have been standing for over 50 years,, you are a racist nazi upholding white supremacy.

2018-09-23 17:17:47 UTC
2018-09-23 17:27:03 UTC

@Fred the Fish legal equality is already a reality

2018-09-23 17:27:15 UTC

you are campaigning for equity under the guise of equality

2018-09-23 17:27:41 UTC

if all you want is equality, you can shut up now. You have it, now go away

2018-09-23 17:31:48 UTC

Your kind have asked for "compromise" for at least a century, and when compromises are made you just escalate your demands and ask for compromise again. You will never stop, so your positions should be completely ignored and your "compromises" reversed.

2018-09-23 17:41:00 UTC

@Fred the Fish That passage from their decision is wrong, since in many states free blacks didn't enjoy the same essential rights as white citizens. But they were right, the 14th Amendment never gives Congress the power to legislate against that.

2018-09-23 17:45:19 UTC

@Mord is on fire today

2018-09-23 17:45:39 UTC


2018-09-23 17:46:13 UTC

@agag can you post something (ever) that is NOT antagonazing some one else ?

2018-09-23 17:46:15 UTC


2018-09-23 17:51:23 UTC

@John Rebuttal Ok, I agree with NormieCamo that many people today pursue equity under the guise of equality

2018-09-23 17:55:50 UTC


2018-09-23 17:57:45 UTC

when was the last time a black person was lynched

2018-09-23 17:57:58 UTC

when was the last time you saw a black and white water fountain

2018-09-23 17:58:08 UTC

or a whites only swimming pool

2018-09-23 17:58:33 UTC

yeah losing that legislation was a bad thing for Reconstruction but it's Congress's fault for passing it under the 14th Amendment

2018-09-23 17:58:37 UTC

I donโ€™t think any of us was born before the 1950โ€™s to see any of that but yea it was a long time

2018-09-23 17:59:01 UTC

You are an actual brainlet to say any of the things that happened during and before the civil rights movement towards blacks still goes on today.

2018-09-23 17:59:17 UTC

>it just looks different

2018-09-23 17:59:38 UTC

Let me get this straight then

2018-09-23 17:59:52 UTC

the SCOTUS doesn't exist to legislate or make the most utilitarian decisions, it exists to interpret the Constitution, and the Constitution does not give Congress the right to legislate against private discrimination under the 14th

2018-09-23 18:00:27 UTC

the good news is it does give them the right to do that under the Commerce Clause

2018-09-23 18:00:36 UTC

which is what they used in the 60s

2018-09-23 18:00:47 UTC

so a black child like Emmett Till being drug behind a truck because he was black is just as bad and the same as someone calling a black person a nigger or assuming a black person is going to steal

2018-09-23 18:01:02 UTC

lt's the same because it's racism

2018-09-23 18:01:07 UTC

This is your logic

2018-09-23 18:01:19 UTC

under the Commerce Clause in 64

2018-09-23 18:01:37 UTC

that was the major difference

2018-09-23 18:03:37 UTC

the "racism" that exists today is a mere shell of what it used to be. To say it is as bad as the 1960's and before is such a ludicrous statement that even blacks that lived way back when they weren;t even allowed in the same restaraunt as whites, would disagree with you.

2018-09-23 18:05:23 UTC

And if the US is such a racist clusterfuck then why not live in another country, or maybe a continent of blacks

2018-09-23 18:07:12 UTC

You aren't even negating the points l made, you're just trying to dumb it down and say "racism still exists and we're still fighting what civil rights advocates did"

2018-09-23 18:08:52 UTC

Even before l said that, you have not proved to me my points were invalid.

2018-09-23 18:09:16 UTC

You pretty much just said, "yea they do exist"

2018-09-23 18:10:19 UTC

l listed off some of the worst treatment blacks experienced in the early 20th century, and said that they do not occur today at all or not by the shear numbers they did then, and all you said was "yes they do"

2018-09-23 18:12:19 UTC

The closest thing l can think of that most resembles segregation-era treatment of blacks is Rodney King's beating by LAPD in 1991.

2018-09-23 18:15:18 UTC

for one thing, the 1875 act didn't even do anything. Nobody ever bothered to enforce it.

2018-09-23 18:16:40 UTC

@Fred the Fish do you think whites should pay reparations for slavery and racism of the past

2018-09-23 18:16:42 UTC

the other thing is that you don't need a mentality to justify overturning it, show me where in the 14th Amendment Congress is given the power to regulate private discrimination

2018-09-23 18:17:06 UTC

Mord is right, the racism that exists today is nowhere near the level of the racism that existed 50 years ago

2018-09-23 18:17:52 UTC

there's obviously still a negative legacy from segregation, but it's diminishing as time goes on

2018-09-23 18:17:59 UTC

what kind of legislation do you even want to reduce it even further

2018-09-23 18:18:57 UTC

@agag segregation of whites

2018-09-23 18:19:26 UTC

yeah lol we need to protect black communities from gentrification

2018-09-23 18:19:34 UTC

let's stop wypipo from moving into their communities

2018-09-23 18:20:12 UTC

l mean on some college campuses the minority students have advocated for certain dorm areas to be only people of color

2018-09-23 18:20:17 UTC

that's segregation

2018-09-23 18:20:53 UTC

yeah I don't know how they don't realize the contradiction

2018-09-23 18:31:10 UTC

@Fred the Fish do you think that we should be paying reparations for any injustice Black people have endured against white people? Youโ€™re playing an idealistic game that isnโ€™t possible

2018-09-23 18:31:57 UTC

Surely if you throw money at something it goes away and solves the problem once and for all

2018-09-23 18:32:09 UTC

Yea totally

2018-09-23 18:32:47 UTC

yeah we know we can't just free blacks from slavery and expect things to get better

2018-09-23 18:32:53 UTC

that's why we passed Civil Rights legislation in the 60s

2018-09-23 18:33:04 UTC

lf the government suddenly decided to write a 1 million dollar check to every black person in the US, in the 10 years not only would all that money be spent on material things, they would come around and say it wasn't enough and we'd be back to square one.

2018-09-23 18:33:16 UTC


2018-09-23 18:33:32 UTC

I have seen people value reparations at $5 trillion

2018-09-23 18:33:39 UTC

it is a pipedream and always will be

2018-09-23 18:33:43 UTC

This is the form """racism""" takes today

1. Child Innocence <http://archive.is/PkntW>
2. Civility <https://i.imgur.com/RVkvJ5l.jpg>
3. Justice System <https://i.imgur.com/1WsyDqA.png> <https://i.imgur.com/Q1kfPQp.png>
4. Environmentalism <https://i.imgur.com/ICYNhBT.png>
5. Tipping <http://archive.is/gEgna>
6. Water bottles <http://archive.is/T2b3a>
7. Thoughts <http://archive.is/Eg744>
8. Weight lifting <https://womensstrengthcoalition.com/powerlifting-nazi/>
9. Bicycles <http://archive.is/8lm2K>
10. Smiles <http://archive.is/UFOdS>
11. DNA <http://archive.is/W2ryR>
12. Sleep <http://archive.is/rW5L8>
13. Height <http://archive.is/qwbEo>
14. Movie reviews <http://archive.is/p0JFI>
15. Small talk <https://i.imgur.com/R8kshMI.png>
16. Motorcycles <https://i.imgur.com/oC3ffmK.jpg>
17. Indie films <http://archive.is/07Gac>
18. Hiking <http://archive.is/imT6g>
19. Skiing <http://archive.is/1aypD>
20. Charity <https://i.imgur.com/oZ5e9Vq.png>
21. Farmer's Markets <http://archive.is/5JTgY>
22. Birth certificates <http://archive.is/sXc2t>
23. PBJs <http://archive.is/KGchJ>

2018-09-23 18:33:52 UTC

for *each* black person? @agag

2018-09-23 18:33:56 UTC

or collecvtively?

2018-09-23 18:34:00 UTC

no collectively

2018-09-23 18:34:03 UTC


2018-09-23 18:34:07 UTC

like $380k each

2018-09-23 18:34:09 UTC

If you are half black do you pay your reparations to yourself?

2018-09-23 18:34:36 UTC

150k would be for the same guys low estimate

2018-09-23 18:34:40 UTC

l'm contemplating on pinning that

2018-09-23 18:35:39 UTC

who has to pay reparations anyway

2018-09-23 18:35:54 UTC

do Asians or Hispanics who weren't in this country when slavery existed have to pay reparations?

2018-09-23 18:36:04 UTC

do whites whose ancestors never owned slaves have to pay reparations?

2018-09-23 18:36:16 UTC

do Native Americans whose ancestors did own slaves have to pay reparations?

2018-09-23 18:36:23 UTC

you would have to trace back all the white ancestors who owned slaves

2018-09-23 18:36:28 UTC

and it wasn't just whites

2018-09-23 18:36:32 UTC

does Puerto Rico have to pay reparations since they don't pay federal income tax?

2018-09-23 18:36:43 UTC

lt was jews, native americans, other blacks, etc..

2018-09-23 18:36:51 UTC

So nobody

2018-09-23 18:36:54 UTC

so the American people as a whole?

2018-09-23 18:36:57 UTC

Because that went to the debt

2018-09-23 18:37:55 UTC

are you going to have black taxpayers pay their own reparations?

2018-09-23 18:37:57 UTC

Also, what happens when that doesn't fix the problems blacks have, and they decide that we just didn't give them enough?

2018-09-23 18:38:12 UTC

Just keep doing it until we run out of money?

2018-09-23 18:38:21 UTC

lf the government suddenly decided to write a 1 million dollar check to every black person in the US, in 10 years not only would all that money be spent on material things, they would come around and say it wasn't enough and we'd be back to square one.

2018-09-23 18:38:48 UTC

They were right then too

2018-09-23 18:39:09 UTC

Earth is round, same mentality as the people who denied flat Earth in 1880

2018-09-23 18:39:11 UTC

where are you going to get the money?

2018-09-23 18:39:19 UTC

From ypipo and the rich

2018-09-23 18:39:21 UTC

37 million blacks in this country

2018-09-23 18:39:35 UTC

how much do you want to pay to each black person

2018-09-23 18:40:04 UTC

Set up a system that systematically gives them advantages in welfare, schooling and college admission

2018-09-23 18:40:07 UTC

Oh, wait

2018-09-23 18:40:53 UTC

This is just further proof that you want equity and not equality

2018-09-23 18:41:32 UTC

Nice copy/pasting

2018-09-23 18:41:44 UTC

the barrage of questions inevitably follows because they're legitimate questions

2018-09-23 18:41:47 UTC

Nobody deserves money for past "wrongdoings"

2018-09-23 18:41:56 UTC

I do not support reparations for any group

2018-09-23 18:42:12 UTC

Unless payable by those responsible

2018-09-23 18:42:18 UTC

because it's irrational

2018-09-23 18:42:26 UTC

I will not give a dime to any reparation because I have done nothing wrong

2018-09-23 18:42:40 UTC

@Fred the Fish do black people in power (most likely democrats) empower common black people? If you say yes thatโ€™ll show me how irrational you are

2018-09-23 18:42:42 UTC

Against my will

2018-09-23 18:42:51 UTC

lt is irrational in the same way that German citizens were forced to pay reperations for the Holocaust

2018-09-23 18:42:53 UTC

Are you saying the bank bailout was good and justified?

2018-09-23 18:42:57 UTC

Because you just did say that

2018-09-23 18:43:01 UTC

what about all those who were affected by the Holodomor

2018-09-23 18:43:07 UTC

or any other genocide

2018-09-23 18:43:15 UTC


2018-09-23 18:43:22 UTC


2018-09-23 18:43:29 UTC

"Broach the topic of the earth being flat today and a barrage of questions inevitably follows: Why does everyone agree the earth isn't flat? Why could you measure the circumference of the earth 2000 years ago in Ancient Greece? Why can you circumnavigate the globe?"

2018-09-23 18:43:30 UTC

Well you literally are asking for money to excuse slavery

2018-09-23 18:43:53 UTC

but want us to stop using money as an excuse to not pay for it

2018-09-23 18:44:08 UTC

>demand money
>"why are you making this about money?"

2018-09-23 18:44:15 UTC


2018-09-23 18:45:31 UTC

Fred has yet to bring about a substantial argument for why racism as bad or worse as before 1964 still exists and why we should pay reparations for any wrongdoing we have done to Black people

2018-09-23 18:45:34 UTC

@Mord it wouldn't surprise me if Ukrainians would want reparations for the Holodomor

2018-09-23 18:45:36 UTC

So irrational

2018-09-23 18:46:04 UTC

Or the Armenians for their genocide

2018-09-23 18:46:15 UTC

I think the justification for Holocaust reparations was that Jews were displaced from Europe as a result and that the Germans needed to pay for their resettlement elsewhere

2018-09-23 18:46:15 UTC

Or Poland demanding WW2 reparations in retaliation for being ordered to accept migrants

2018-09-23 18:46:26 UTC

You are wrong

2018-09-23 18:46:29 UTC

But then again Iโ€™m not Armenian so that was a guess

2018-09-23 18:46:33 UTC

Why should we concede

2018-09-23 18:46:48 UTC

also they were paid immediately after to people who survived it first hand

2018-09-23 18:46:54 UTC

@Fred the Fish you're not being rational

2018-09-23 18:47:03 UTC

you're ignoring the fundamental problems with the idea of reparations

2018-09-23 18:47:30 UTC

Your plan is about as rational as people who say "if the government gave everyone money we'd all be rich"
You have put zero thought into it

2018-09-23 18:48:55 UTC

how much money do you suggest paying to black people?

2018-09-23 18:49:39 UTC

It would be a waste of time

2018-09-23 18:49:42 UTC

do you want to know what Congress's conclusion would be

2018-09-23 18:49:42 UTC

If you can find a way to resurrect a slave owner, you can charge him for reparations. Otherwise, it is unjustifiable

2018-09-23 18:49:48 UTC

it would be, "holy shit, this is way too expensive"

2018-09-23 18:49:52 UTC

"let's not do this ever"

2018-09-23 18:50:17 UTC

hypothetically they decide to pay $1000 to every single black person in this country

2018-09-23 18:50:29 UTC

37,144,530 x 1000

2018-09-23 18:50:39 UTC

that's $37,144,530,000

2018-09-23 18:51:06 UTC

So you're saying the bank bailout was good

2018-09-23 18:51:26 UTC

bailing out a fundamental part of the American economy is not comparable to paying reparations to one subset of the country

2018-09-23 18:51:36 UTC

Yes or no, do you think the bank bailout was a good decision? @Fred the Fish

2018-09-23 18:52:01 UTC

I just want to determine if you are arguing in bad faith here

2018-09-23 18:52:23 UTC

my guess would be no

2018-09-23 18:52:47 UTC

If the bank bailout was not a good decision, why are you using it as an example of how a mass payout can be conducted successfully?

2018-09-23 18:53:59 UTC

You either support the bailout or you simply don't care if your arguments make sense so long as you get what you want

2018-09-23 18:55:09 UTC

The latter means you're willing to decieve people to get your payoff, why should anyone take what you say seriously if that is the case?

2018-09-23 20:47:31 UTC
2018-09-23 20:47:42 UTC

How do you respond to this?

2018-09-23 20:47:47 UTC

Take your time

2018-09-23 20:47:55 UTC

i sent that before lmao

2018-09-23 20:47:59 UTC


2018-09-23 20:48:41 UTC

it doesn't matter who the traditional authors of the Gospels were, what matters is where their information comes from

2018-09-23 20:48:55 UTC

we know that they were based on pre-existing sources like the Q document

2018-09-23 20:49:28 UTC

and from the creed in 1 Corinthians 15 we also know that more or less the same story was being taught by the Jerusalem church very shortly after Jesus's death

2018-09-23 20:49:39 UTC

1 Corinthians 15:3-4

2018-09-23 20:49:40 UTC

**1 Corinthians 15:3-4 - New King James Version (NKJV)**


<3> For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, <4> and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, ```

2018-09-23 20:50:05 UTC

It does matter

2018-09-23 20:50:21 UTC

We have no idea of who authored ANY of the four Gospels of the Canon. They are anonymous documents, with the words "according to" Matthew, Mark, Luke and John appended to them in the late 2nd century. The Gospels are not eyewitness accounts, for they are all written in the 3rd person. Moreover, it is indeed odd that Matthew (supposedly an apostle of Jesus) copied virtually verbatim from a non-apostle, Mark (who is unknown). We have no record of the sources of the Gospels.

In sum, the Gospel stories are HEARSAY acounts from unknown authors. They were also not written in the mother tongue of Jesus and the apostles (Aramaic), so Jesus' words are not preserved. We can be fairly confident that the NT documents did not undergo substantial change after the Council of Nicaea (325 CE) - that much is true - but that presents no evidence that the originals were reliable accounts.

2018-09-23 20:51:58 UTC

they were not written in the mother tongue because the common language at that time was Koine Greek

2018-09-23 20:52:09 UTC

the Apostles also used the Septuagint Bible despite speaking Aramaic as their primary language

2018-09-23 20:53:41 UTC

I could grant that

2018-09-23 20:55:01 UTC

You didnโ€™t respond to my whole argument. I can continue this tomorrow, until then you can layout your complete response.

2018-09-23 20:56:32 UTC

the eyewitness stuff doesn't really matter that much since we know that the core Gospel story was being taught by the Jerusalem Church very shortly after Jesus's death

2018-09-23 20:57:11 UTC

which refutes the Muslim idea that the entire story of Jesus was corrupted from Jesus never dying or being crucified at all to Jesus dying on the cross

2018-09-23 20:58:59 UTC

St Paul visited Jerusalem after three years

2018-09-23 20:59:04 UTC

Galatians 1:18

2018-09-23 20:59:05 UTC

**Galatians 1:18 - New King James Version (NKJV)**

Contacts at Jerusalem

<18> Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days. ```

2018-09-23 20:59:32 UTC

this is when he would have received the 1 Corinthians 15:3-5 creed

2018-09-23 20:59:32 UTC

**1 Corinthians 15:3-5 - New King James Version (NKJV)**


<3> For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, <4> and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, <5> and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. ```

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