It's societal.

Most people don't openly attack transgenders

Maybe the religious kooks

There are a lot of things that trans people go through.

But in high schools and colleges?

Please

Idk being told your idntiy is wrong is an issue

have you been to high school?

Yes

Kids are the worst

I graduated last year

they'll bully you for anything

Not really

you really think they'd go easy on a trans kid>

I think it's been a while since you went

?

They don't care

I'm 22

I'm 18

Yes they do.

It depends where also

I went to a conservative area

I went to a school with 2,000 kids

@Somedudewithaname why should they

and they went so hard on this kid who came out of the closet

I lived in an area full of baptists and rednecks

bullying is a check on social deformities

My school had plenty

Kids

Do not care

We can't argue from annedote though

all I know is studies show that transgenders who transition have better mental health than those who don't.

Ok

And for my concern, that's the most important issue.

could you link me to that

because that is very interesting

But how many of those transgenders killed themselves because of the realization that they can never fully be the opposite gender in terms of psychology or physiology?

Regardless of bullying

I mean them coming to their own consciousness

And knowing they have not had the same experiences as others as they claim to identify with

why is the suicide rate of people with gender dysphoria who transition so high?

Because when you do that

answer this

It destroys the value of what a specific sex has to go through

Well here's the thing.

It's not longer a "woman" issue

It's now a "woman and males who define themselves as 'woman' " issue

You can't prove it's because of a biolgical or social class without chaninging the second varaible

And that muddies up everything

and damn that's hard to do.

the considerations of tranny emotions and troubles is irrelevant when you see their effect on the social stability of society

Why is the sucide rate so high?

For simmilar reasons to that of transgenders who don't transition

Because they realize they are not living the truth of what they are

I dpn

They have to accept their sex

I haven't read studies on that one

And they can freely choose what they want to do

@Somedudewithaname schizos who have their imaginary friends acknowledged also feel better

if a female wants to ride a motorcycle

should we do that too?

Go ahead

they're a book called transgednerism and the brain i reccomend reading

please tel me why the suicide rates are so high for people with gender dysphoria who transition

If a male wants to go and knit

Go ahead

Frido i;ll agree with you on that

but the issue is society doesn't view these things in that way.

gender roles must be enforced by the state

ANd for some people body dismprphia is the issue.

faggy behavior and crossdressers should be jailed

They shouldn't have to "change their gender"

That shouldn't be a thing period

Does a man "becoming a woman" allow them to knit better?

Alright I'm going to debate this liberal now

Because it sure as hell doesn't give them confidence

you guys been at it for like an hour almost

If transgenders are committing suicide

So so much

Unless changing their "roles" has ANY advantage towards doing what they want to do

It's a waste of time

It's insulting to people

And it can seriously cause issues

And right now

My generational family with me

Can promise you men and women can do as they please

You know ill agree with you that gender roles need be deconstructed

That has changed since they lived

So why go ahead

and if women and men felt like they could do as they please we'd have no issue

@Somedudewithaname Alright let's debate. My position is this: societal cost of accepting trannies destroys the stability in the long term of families and of the nation by way of shifting the acceptable range of ideas on sexuality and gender identity. Therefore trannies should be jailed or sent to a loony bin to be studied for a potential cure to their mental problem.

but some men find they identify as women

and.

oh go

god

There is no reason to identify as woman if not a woman

Really isn't much more to it than that. I don't care about their individual rights, the collective interest of the race/nation is more important.

It doesn't help you at all

It only hurts people

It could be you feel like you idenitfy more with the social identity of a woman