I'm sorry but how does this relate back to the original topic of transgederism?

But to go ahead and "change your gender" in the process

What are we debating about?

wait keep going i see where your going

That's an issue.

Because by changing your gender

You're stating you're part of that group

You know their experiences

You can do what they do

No matter what

Hmmm

It's the same thing with races and ethnicities

that's an interesting way to put it

I'm Latino

The difference I would see there is transgeder people do face simmilar discrimination to women

If you look at studies after they transition they face simmilar harrasement as women

Because of men don't know they're transgenders

And there is a level of solidarity between diffrent "opressed groups"

When you get breast implants and a vagina surgery

You are treated like a woman

you have the same experiences, or simmilar experiences to a woman

And cover yourself with makeup, it's no wonder a man will think you're female

can I debate this fag now

Frito can I detour for this dude?

Hold on

I'll add you as a freind and we can continue later?

He needs to learn to wait

lol fair enough

Here is my final point

I'll wait it's fine

okay

Men and Women are equal in regards to worth. Biologically-speaking they are different, and that will cause them to act differently, experience different things, and ect. The most we should do as a society is focus on the "individual", not whether they are male and female. Because when you attempt to "join a group" like that, it destroys the experiences of those you're attempting to join. No longer is it females being harassed, it's females AND transgender males, and that takes away from the females who had to go through it alone

Well I guess I'll take issue with the idea that you must fit a group perfectly to bit part of the group. The experience of a group as broad as woman varies amongst different races classes and etc. You'd have to deconstruct the meaning of the idea of women and tell me what specifcally about the trans woman experiences disqualifies them from this group.

ESPECIALLY since the man CHOSE to be defined as a "woman"

If I as a Latino tried to relate to the black population and call myself "black", that would be an insult to them

Yes but you are a minority population

Because my experiences have no correlation to what they endure

and your experiences are closer to there's than the average white persons

you can have some degree of solidarity with any woman

But it's not the same

black people stay with black people

because from the moment they were born

men are a minority in the USA

Also we're erecting the categories artificlly in the first place

and as they were raised

they had to think through a certain mindset

and here comes Latino Bandito

Saying he's black

that he understands blacks

Again your acting like the average experience of black man is universal

I'm speaking in US terms

They'll all be different for a number of factors

But there is an average

there is always an average

The majority of the Black Lives Matter walks are from out of the states

All around the US

I had an african freind in high school and he'd always hang around us indian kids becayse he identifed with ys more

Even though they go through different things in different states

they still go to the same event

There is always an average

I mean it's a universal experience

but not all experiences are universal

Averages are though

Yes but now we're defining categories with arbitrary cut offs

and you can talk about averages but trans people are a very small minority

If I had to place a bet on how any random black person in the whole earth would be

even less identify as female

as a woman i mean sorry

I'd be safer to say in poverty and have committed multiple felonies

It would vary greatly on the population you find them in

Through literal statistics

Im america sure

but if you look at african immigrants in america

they are one of the most sucesfull group

there graduate education rate is insane

your creating these categories now.

they are the most successful OF the group

And these cut offs.

OF the black group

It's like 10%hold a phd that's impressive for any demographic in america

theyre the top of the bell curve

Is it right for me though

As a Latino

But your arguemtn is trans people can't idenitfy as women cause they don't have the same set of experiences?

Experiences and they don't think the same way as well

And they are not the same physically either

when you finish discussing this with frito ping me cause i want to bring up a counter point

And no amount of surgery can change that

So when reality hits them

Again and again

lol send me a message slouch

i appreciate this chat ll

They will become mentally unstable

It will hurt them

Again not true

Very actually

>individual rights arguments with respect to trannies

wrong approach

Most transgenders commit suicide, but people claim it's due to bullying

Truth is