I was told to come here

Your telling me how you feel but i don't really care

Like okay,

so I think it's fair enough that we give them special attention when they need or request it.

BUt i think it's a loaded question

I think anyone whoo needs special attention should get it.

No i trust you bandito

Okay so, I for one am of the opinion that transgenderism is a result of biological and social pressures

which one is more important? I'm not sure the jury is still out on that.

BUt becuase of body dysmorphia being caused by external factors to the person's own cohices, I belieive it is fair for them to get special treatment.

I mean how much would your sex matter to you as a person if you lived outside of a society?

I

I really don't have the answer to that question.

Ugh and when speaking about biolgical sex its not so clear cut

we have priamry and secondary sexual characteristics

the XY XX dichotmy is punctuated by alterations in that chromosome set

we can have xxy Xyy and such

Where would these people fall in?

It's an exception but exceptions raise problems in categorization

We can say male and female

I'm a biology major lol

Yes ofc.

Your point?

That's not how that woks

Okay wait i misread that

What makes you primarily a mna then?

Man

Is it your biology or your mental state?

Are we speaking priamrily about biology here?

Okay we can focus on that.

We can get to that later.

Yeah fair enough

So?

Yes okay..

Sure.

Fair enough.

To some it does.

And it might to him.

Your peception on what makes you a man might differ from his.

Oky biologically speaking

fair

fair enough

Okay...

the issue is?

Okay wait

before we go on lets define terms?

If that's okay with you?

WE use Male and Female to refer to biolgocial gender

and Man and WOman to refer to gender

I mean male and female to refer to biological sex

are you fine with this distinction?

okay keep going

jsut wanted to clarify that

Okay//

Fair enough

I know a lot of trans people feel that ay

way.

hmmmm

Can i take issue with that?

Of course there are trans exclusioinary radical feminists out there

but many feminists also support trans issue

which now we've moved on from the biological issue into the domain of sociology

His experience will not be universal and wll vary.

From the deep south to new york city

ofc they are

but it doesnt mean we can help with both

.Yeah not disagreeing there

which one matters more is a different question though

I do vril

nope

wait your turn

Okay ican agree with you their is a substantial difference

do elaborate

lol we're weird.

Okay

now why?

It's really hard from an experimental standpoint to isolate mental processes from biology and sociological phenomenom.

Why do men think different in the way do?

Why are some men terrible at math while women are better?

Prehaps it's because females are taught to be more in touch withtheir emotions

and I don't see a lack of emotion as a positive or even rational thing

They went through their formative years though

but continue

oof thats an understatement

Jesus

Yaeah I agree lol

things have changed dramitically

Okay wat....

I'm sorry but how does this relate back to the original topic of transgederism?

What are we debating about?

wait keep going i see where your going

Hmmm

that's an interesting way to put it

The difference I would see there is transgeder people do face simmilar discrimination to women

If you look at studies after they transition they face simmilar harrasement as women

And there is a level of solidarity between diffrent "opressed groups"

You are treated like a woman

you have the same experiences, or simmilar experiences to a woman

Frito can I detour for this dude?

I'll add you as a freind and we can continue later?