Right, but why would The Lord allow it to persist in scripture? Also I found what I wanted to refer to earlier - It is believed that Christ did actually use the Tetragrammaton even as an Arabic speaker as seen in John 8:58 .

**John 8:58 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<58> Jesus said to them, "Very truly, I tell you, before Abraham was, I am." ```

turia should stop thinking such heresies

@agag Turia said he takes the entire bible literally and that christ is not all knowing

sure sucks when people can read huh

One particular incident, as I have stated before, was when he referred to himself as I am. Iam = yahweh=Lord

Why does Jesus always say "Very truly,"

best to just misquote them and falsely equate them to random things

totally isnt what catholics usually do to shame people

@Turia do you take the entire bible literally

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 it's a translation of amen

in KJV it'd be verily

In Gospel of John everytime Jesus speaks he says Very truly,

oh ok

It's a difficult issue that is posed too, because the "YHWH" is Hebrew and most of the NT is Greek

John 8:58

**John 8:58 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<58> Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am. ```

bro, if someone in a literal history book says hey here's a parable

John 8:58 NIV

**John 8:58 - New International Version (NIV)**

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<58> "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" ```

DRA is so based

Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya, he has a Phd in religious studies. I believe he studied with catholics for a while as well on bibilical hermeneutics and interpretation. You might say he is a little biased given his religious background, but his religious academic background is pretty hard to dismiss. Plus the guy spends hours talking about sexual and liberal degeneracy and atheism in the modern world, so I can't just call him a liberal academic. @Immensa Despite the name he is actually a white guy of Spanish and English descent.

Yeah, its a way that greek functions and modifies language

John 8:58 KJV

**John 8:58 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<58> Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. ```

then the parable is not literal

@Turia Jesus did not say here is a parable

but the book is still literal

Mark 13:32 is not a parable

**Mark 13:32 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<32> But of that day or hour no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father. ```

then he's being literal

@agag is Mark 13:32 a parable

**Mark 13:32 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<32> But of that day or hour no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father. ```

you're the one calling him a liar

how do you know what christ knew while on earth

Ok so do you believe jesus is all knowing or not @Turia

I dont get it why not just reference the original bible smh

agnostic here

i believe what jesus taught

there's several versions dood

no mark 13 isn't a parable

Matthew 5:10 ESV

**Matthew 5:10 - English Standard Version (ESV)**

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<10> "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. ```

Yes or no

What exactly is that verse saying?

Is christ all knowing or not

mark 13:32-37 isn't a parable

**Mark 13:32-37 - New King James Version (NKJV)**

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No One Knows the Day or Hour

<32> "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. <33> Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. <34> It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. <35> Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning— <36> lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. <37> And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!"```

one of my favorites

>believing what jesus taught but its a revision

Matthew 5

what's a revision

darn

Turia yes or no is christ all knowing or not

Matthew 5:1-12

**Matthew 5:1-12 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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The Beatitudes

<1> When Jesus saw the crowds, he went up the mountain; and after he sat down, his disciples came to him. <2> Then he began to speak, and taught them, saying: <3> "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. <4> "Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. <5> "Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. <6> "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. <7> "Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy. <8> "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. <9> "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. <10> "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. <11> "Blessed are you when people revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. <12> Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. ```

Mark 13:32

**Mark 13:32 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<32> But of that day or hour no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father. ```

Mark 13:32

**Mark 13:32 - Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)**

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<32> However, when that day and hour will come, no one knows — not the angels in heaven, not the Son, just the Father. ```

@Immensa have you read the OT?

jesus clearly states multiple times that he was a man

not all of it, but a good amount

What is this verse talking about?

John 3:16

**John 3:16 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<16> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. ```

and it's referenced dozens of times that he grew more wise with age

I dont understand, why not not just only reference the old testament as that is the original bible?

probably enough to make a summary

Sounds to me Turia is right based off that translation...

@Immensa So you are fine with the idea that the creator of the universe chose jews as his people?

@Shibe the old testament is only part of the original bible

I think you are very confused

I'm voting democrat in November

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so then how can you be sure these new versions are the actual word of god?

because they are translations of the old and new testament

goofball

because if God exists, he wouldnt allow corruption of his word

only the men preaching it can be corrupt

the most important issue for me is affordable housing and the Republicans won't crash the housing market

move to a cheaper state

tech industry has changed housing forever

find me a job in that state

change your standards

Mark 13:32

**Mark 13:32 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<32> But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. ```

@agag where does he say Kyrios? biblical scholars state that Jesus called God "Abba" or the Aramaic word for Father

there are jobs everywhere

not really

yes really

@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] Its a complicated thing. In the OT, sure, but that isn't separate from the NT. It worked into the plan. The jews are Gods chosen people, but to say that Gods plan in both testaments are different is false

pick a state and look at its top industry

It seems to me that the verse is saying that man only knew of the Father

Mark 13:32 someone explain how Turia can be wrong?

**Mark 13:32 - Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)**

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<32> However, when that day and hour will come, no one knows — not the angels in heaven, not the Son, just the Father. ```

there will be jobs for that there

yeah see, all these refrerences to different version

@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] Matthew 4:7