>America says hey how about we trade each other without tariffs? also stop stealing our technology

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

considering tho they never had foothold at china in first place

can they then be banned ?

yeah because they were banned from entering in the first place

you cant ban unless you have permission to be in first 🤔

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bros

What has happened to the $300 16 core ryzen

Ayyy

They know they can charge more

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-26/billionaire-huawei-founder-defiant-in-face-of-existential-threat

Beijing itself isn’t without options. Some speculate China might retaliate against the ban of Huawei -- which may widen to include some of its most promising AI firms -- by in turn barring America’s largest corporations from its own markets. Apple Inc. could relinquish nearly a third of its profit if China banned its products, Goldman Sachs analysts estimate.

Ren said he would object to any such move against his American rival.

“That will not happen, first of all. And second of all, if that happens, I’ll be the first to protest,” Ren said in the interview. “Apple is my teacher, it’s in the lead. As a student, why go against my teacher? Never.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7hofCnniJE

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZphrqgnoZbM

holy shit

intel's getting RAPED

ARM's new processor BEATs Intel's ultra thin i5 lineup

even at emulating win32 apps

this means future ultra thin and light laptops will be using ARM CPUs

and apple replacing intel with it as well for their macbooks

<:you:265281777168416768> unironically taking these benchmarks as facts

in a curated benchmark by qualcomm, in memory and gpu bound applications, while running a newer OS and at a lower resolution

Still reasonable to be excited. The difference in battery life is ridiculous, even when you factor in the lower resolution display.

except if in the real world it's twice as slow and you're negating battery usage by waiting for everything

I beg to differ quite an bit

If it's twice as slow you might just want to scrap some task (like gayming or heavy photoshopping)

And some other tasks will 'feel as fast' because the difference is minimal (text editing, spreadsheet etc)

I'm quite doubting the performance benchmark of qualcomm, mind you, but even at half the performance of the i5 it might be a good option if the battery performance is twice its competitor

It's just not gonna be a high end laptop

^

Using a laptop for anything other than business tasks is, as far as I'm concerned, deeply retarded.

why not

Depends a lot on what you want to do but since I expect the answer to be anywhere near gayming it's gonna require components (mainly a graphic card) that's gonna be shit and super expensive

+ whatever underlying (air flow/temperature management, battery life is gonna be hot garbage, weight, etc etc)

Piss poor for media consumption (tiny screen by necessity, or you're going to be hauling a fucking monster-laptop). As above, it's fucky for gaming (performance / heat dissipation / cunty keyboard / screen once more).

For photoshop tasks, screen AGAIN.

its not 2005

Might be good quality, but are you really going to pretend working on a 13" display is remotely pleasant?

ofc there is some tradeoff

being either weight/size(chunkyness) or price

And yes, you can dock the fucker... but at that point it's a pseudo-desktop instead.

With shit heat dissipation.

docking is as simple as connecting it to hdmi

expect there is tons of onsite/at customer/consulting load where laptop outshines easily any desktop in terms of convenience, getting things done etc

instead of waiting to demo something be it code,3D,photoshop

Sure. Business tasks.

you can do it on the fly

not only in business but hobbyist use too

if I was a student who both needed a pretty powerful pc for lets say compiling code and taking notes and gaming I'd totally buy a laptop

I'd rather stab myself in the kidney than use a laptop as a laptop for any prolonged period of time.

visiting hacklabs, backuping those pictures from camera to get more room to SD card

etc etc etc

its just about invidual need

quite a few of my classmates go back home to their province for the weekends so in that scenario its totally justifiable

some dont need battery capacity at all some prefer 10 hour capacity on small package

god bless capitalism for the option to choose whatever you need and a really wide selection

^

i mean id rather have laptop that can last 10+ hours on research work

than desktop what ties me up to single location

SSH.

ssh from what ? your phone ?

lol no

From a cheapo laptop.

Stop being obtuse.

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but you just stated

that no laptops outside business use

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If it hadn't been for the weird keyboard issues on that cheap chink ultrabook, I would have been using that. Super low powered, easy to carry.

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You're really being silly no, friend.

What is this "10+ hours of research work?"

Being hunched over a tiny laptop? Then I'm still right, that's retarded and you'll murder your neck.

shitposting on 4chan

If it's something that requires high performance, which was my assumption (in your favor I might add) then that's entirely doable over a remote connection of some kind.

sadly even state of the art remote control software is shitty and annoying at best

No ?

I mean

What are you trying to achieve?

sure in perfect world it might be actualy valid option to just "remote in"

If it's just compiling some code, then the answer is a definitive no right now

?!

Even for gayming you got a shit ton of software that just works™

Fifteen years ago I was using perfectly functional remote desktop software on **Windows**.

A platform entirely unsuitable for such tasks, in the grand scheme of things.

functional yes? nice to use and convenient ? no

Except if you live in a third world country with a dial-up type connection

^

What are you trying to achieve

And I know he doesn't.

Really

Just describe your use case precisely

Otherwise it's just gonna be running around on both sides

Even for things that requires mandatory GUI you got possibilities to do stuff as of today that are completely acceptable

Sure it **might** not be 180+ FPS silky smooth 4k

But as far as I know, almost no productivity / business apps requires that

Might require a bit of extra work, yeah, but that's still reasonably doable I guess

it does not even need to be 180fps etc on laptop

for example you need to edit something while using CNC what you realised while there

laptop next to you what can open the software required and do all of it right there and now

or whatever remote box what you need first start vpn,connect,start software,think why the fuck you cant directly send the data, find usb stick for said data,download it first from remote desktop to machine you are using to remote into said desktop

then move the file either via usb stick or hope that it can boot the software just so you can send it to cnc via cable

ohh.. and paying from 2 software licenses instead of 1

I assume you're talking about profesionnal CNC right? Not hobbyist?

just cnc hobbyist of professional

at least here is machine shop what lets you run CNC stuff as hobbyist too (for the cost)

I'm gonna assume you meant to say "or" and not "of"

yeah or*

Hobbyist and pro are very, *very* different contexts for CNC

i know

If you're going to have to do that for "10+ hours," you've fucked up. Hard. But sure, it's a reasonable scenario for a quick fix.

but both have similar needs for right there and now changes without extra jumps

As a hobbyist you could go with a single desktop because you only have one/a bunch of machine to control, not a huge fucking factory

thats why beefy business laptops are

^ business? 😉

business laptops as line

And maybe a laptop to do adjustment if, let's say, your setup is far from your computer

If it's pro, then it's a whole different story

not as business use you idiot @kontroll

:D

😉 😉 😉

In that case, yeah, using a high end laptop is gonna be acceptable *but* usually those are expensive as fuck

also as hobbyist your desktop would be at home not at that random rented carage/hall where you need it

Yes. Unreasonably expensive as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, that's why I said a main desktop and a remote cheap laptop for additionnal stuff

^

used business laptops cost sub 1000 easily

Sure it might not be the greatest experience ever

But compared to a laptop that's gonna cost you more than twice that setup

Well...

I disagree on that point

But, in all fairness, people are willing to compromise in areas I'm unwilling to, and vice versa.

Thinkpad hrs

Business laptop with a discreet and pro GPU is gonna rip your ass IF you compare it fairly with a comparable desktop setup

Even used

I'm entirely willing to compromise and use a relatively old laptop for mobility purposes, and have a lovely ol' desktop doing all the heavy lifting when needed.

Meanwhile, mostly women are willing to forego the desktop entirely and rely on an overpriced fruit themed laptop. For convenience...?

laptops are built for mobility

quick check on local store ``Dell Precision 3510 i7-6820HQ 16GB 512SSD FirePro `` for 999

not for performance

rule of thumb

Look, right now I got a P50, let's not compare the full retail price that nobody would be willing to pay, but it's still gonna be around 1k+€

It got a Quadro M1000M

Try gayming on that

given said firepro is ``` W5130M 2GB ```
but still way more beefy

my little Dell Latitude runs whatever I want it to on the go and it looks pretty but I wouldn't run Solidworks or gaymes

But why the fuck would you run games on the go

there is Zbook g2 with K2100 for 920

😂 👌

Okay, let's assume we're gonna go with your setup

K5130M

It's gonna be around the same performance as a GTX 580M

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-FirePro-W5130M.151621.0.html

Yiiikes

@Droidbot I'd game on the go. Hook up a li'l gamepad and play some NES. 😉

Quadros are for werk because double precision, not gaymes

@kontroll Hell yeah brother.

On desktop

x200 runs openttd and emulates fine

That's the raw power equivalenbt of a GT 1030

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(I'm not even comparing technologies)

I actually tried running RimWorld on the laptop.

It ran.

And the fan was unhappy.

A GT1030 is around what... 100 USD at most ?

(T530)

>x200
Can't hear you over the backlight dying

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siemens nx and solidworks usecase

@kontroll I tried overwatch on my Latty and got 720p60 with some drops to like 40, lowest settings

Not bad for a 7w CPU that's passively cooled

Psst, btw, @Tervy... my laptop was €200 and my desktop cost €500. ;)))))))

Yeah well

I'm not saying it's a bad thing in your very specific case

psst my work laptop costed sub 1000 and this homepc... i dont even want to know so far

But most people don't do pro 3D

I also have a pro GPU because I'm using 3DExperience

How long before those laptops thermal throttle though? 😉

indeed most people need something to hide from view, lightweight, what plays netflix when they are not at home smart tv

But it's still shit if I want to do non pro 3D things

it is shit for gaming indeed

it's shit for pro apps too

And *most* people that buy a laptop with a discreet GPU are gonna do that for gayming

@Droidbot Hol up. What CPU is that you got a playable Overwatch on?

And I think we are mainly targetting those

@kontroll m7-6y75

*Still* you could probably have a decent desktop setup for cheaper even with a Quadro/Firepro

Better than my i7-whatever. <:iosthink:328535776843268105>

literally quadro k2200 would go toe to toe with that meme of a GPU and it's like $150

yeah most likely getting cheaper model used elitebook or thinkpad would still be able to do those fixes

and play average joe games

According to the first benchmark I found.

and that's only because SNX wants its meme double precision

most pro apps don't even use it

indeed

but snx is a workload where if you're paying for it, you can afford to buy a top of the line machine

if I remember correctly it's like 10k USD a year

it is :D

just included that there as comparison not as actual usecase for such shitty laptop :D

but yeah my point still is there is usecases for many average joes where laptop just suits them better (gaming model or not) than desktop

Honestly I don't think so (for average joe not using pro apps)

In and out of dorms

(and gayming, not business only)

average joe gayming wise plays probly 2-3 hours a day at max

and not everyday at that

And on a consolw

^

Well if we go by that standard I'd say average joe isn't gonna buy a laptop but a tablet

yeah that future is coming soon tho

*But*

now that tables become more and more actualy usable

Tablet has no use

It doesn't mean average joe is right in their buying decision

Laptop for minimal work even

id say yes, as it suits their usecase

Once again you need to compare what's comparable

Imagine using your phone for document editing and emails

(I do it frequently, hate it but it works™)

i hate browsing almost anything on phone or tablet tho :&

even tho id love to get actualy good tablet with working linux in it

Pine64 coming soon (never)

@dee I don't see the problem. I'd edit shit on my phone.

But then to get back on the topic, if you want to be a bit serious on gaming, laptop is gonna be a hassle and/or price will skyrocket

As long as I also lugged a keyboard and mouse along with me.

Like those meme nerds.

And I'm not talking about trying to max out everything and anything

Which I won't, so fuck it.

Just try to play any random *current year* AAA on high/very high settings on a laptop

It's probably gonna cost you a kidney or two

but why current AAA titles instead of normie games like minecraft,LoL,Rimworld(not that normie game), factorio, whatever

While at the same time you could be buying a desktop AND a laptop with decent remote control capabilities

AAA games are shit though

Speaking of the gaymen... how do you figure the built-in graphics on the new Ryzen CPUs will perform?

Because it's gonna be the "worst" on your performance hit

@kontroll hopefully even better thanm 2400G

Sure, if you want to play "only" rimworld, suit yourself

NES games on a gba sp is better

But someone who games regularly will generally not play one single game

And even only those you mentionned

I got a 2* ryzen laptop. Its good

So either you're gonna have to have the power to run 'everything'

Or you're gonna restrict yourself to a selection of older/less demanding games

I saw some video where a fecker was playing GTA5 on some onboard graphics. Shit wasn't great looking, but seemed entirely playable.

Some fucko wizardry to be sure.

or just drop the quality down to sane levels

current AAA games look nice even on medium settings