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maybe serious crimes.

well obviously not charges of weed

sure

if youre caught with weed i dont want your head off

so just 1st degree murder and rape?

Id say so yes

and anyone named Rorschach of the right.political on discord

all 9085 of you

well\

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/death-penalty-study-4-percent-defendants-innocent

4.1% of all sentence to death were innocent

in the us

id be willing to bet that 99% of those were before 2005

Okay just those two things. what about people that change?

people can change in prison

Nah

Ur prison system is flawed

@Gerry yes they can

It focuses on punishment

Not rehabilitation

This is punitive vs rehabilitative

punitive is what the death penalty would be given for

Yea and that’s wrong

for people that even if by some miracle can go from premeditated murder to an angel

would still die

because what they have done is unforgivable

and a vile act

No

yes

no

They can be a valuable asset in a society

who?

people

people in prison

people under my scope of who deserve death or just people in prison?

@michael under you're scope of death

prison should be rehabilitative but fails

That’s not true

how so?

Well

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-prisoners-the-least-rehabilitated-in-the-world_b_59bd49eae4b06b71800c39d7

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/370908-we-must-do-more-to-rehabilitate-us-inmates

American prisons fail

https://www.charleskochinstitute.org/issue-areas/criminal-justice-policing-reform/why-prison-reform-matters/

They focus on punishment not rehabilitation

right thats what I said

okay why don't we fix the system in order to better people instead of killing people that could be a asset to society?

You need more money

Murderers are not assets to society

they are casted out

thats what life in prison without parole is

Nah

yes

how not?

Murderers can be valuable assets

@michael and you know this how? they can take up jobs like a electrician.

when we say murderers we are referring to 1st degree is that correct?

If given the proper rehabilitation they can become hard workers

And model citizens

these people can be a asset. you dont have to like them just let them work

But you cannot have that rehabilitation

You can though

maybe from a utopian standpoint

we do not have that power

Look at Norway

therapy?

you are arguing from a Utopia

We are not Norway

They have rehabilitative prisons

okay

@michael not exactly. im not saying no death penalty more like only to the ones who have not changed.

And they have rehabilitated murders to be model citizens

We are still not Norway

What we talking bout here

@Deleted User death

Granted you cannot do this in America cuz you guys don’t want high taxes

That does not argue against my stance

Oof how so?

@rory

If you want to get rid of the death penalty

first you have to fix the system

@Deleted User the death penalty

Oh no keep it

i want to limit it

Didn’t you say that you couldn’t rehabilitate them

the system is for punitive justice

In america you cannot

that was my point

Jk don’t keep it

People shouldn’t be killed for their crimes

And that their crimes are so vile that they should receive the death penalty either way

@michael you are acting like prisons cant change.

That I did argue for

yes

I prefer torture

Lol why

@Deleted User the fuck?

Strawman @rory

That would just make em resent the system even more