y3ne I don't want to say something offensive

I say refugees should stay in the middle east for a few reasons. For starters, they created the problem and so they should deal with it. They can't run away and expect Westerns to come and fix it for them. (Unless you believe that the Jews are the ones who started it because in that case, it complicates it). As for the women and kids as you stated, they should be accepted into surrounding Arab countries (like KSA, Oman, Kuwait, and the rest of the Khaleej) because it will preserve their ethnicity and traditions without disrupting existing traditions and so on (mostly a right wing argument). Since it is an Islam-stemmed issue, then keeping the issue within the middle east hits closer to home than dragging the issue into Europe
اعتذرلك اذا قلت شي غلط. هذي بس رايتي @su

@Sn0w ❄ Who created a problem? Children, women?

In my book EU and USA going to every country in Middle East and destroying it.

All refugees must be welcome to EU

https://youtu.be/n0e5oZ2WoLA

If America is going to every country there and destroying, then America should be ready to accept all the refugees, not Europe.
And no, not the women and children. What I was saying is that the men, they should stay in the wartorn places in the middle east and fight their problem (if they're really the ones that created the problem)

@Sn0w ❄ What if they did not create any problem?

@Firefly I highly doubt that they created the problems. But then don't you think that they should go to the country that created the problem and not be displaced into Europe?

Arabs have very low IQ

they're only a bit better then Africa

I won't even bother

fucklife

**Spergs about

**Hiccup**

Islam is very bad

fucklife!

it holds back my MONEY

@Sn0w ❄ Most EU nations supported military invasions and without them USA won't be able to do anything.

iwantotdie

Nuke all non-whte countries

sell their children

@Firefly So you're saying Europe is getting what they deserve? But do you know the saying паны дерутся, а у холопов чубы трещат?

I still think America is the primary culprit in the middle east

@Sn0w ❄ Every nation and people must influence the establishment and stop destruction of other nations. People must have control over the government otherwise they're fully resposible for the actions of it.

So even now, in America, every citizen in America is responsible for whatever Trump does? And every innocent citizen in North Korea is responsible for Kim's actions?
That is a complicated matter

Yes.

Not every. Some people resist and work to change the situation.

Even if the majority don't agree with him whatsoever and the government uses force to make the citizens stay in line?

@Sn0w ❄ Yes. They did nothing to change the situation.

>the government uses force to make the citizens stay in line?

What?

I’m from Jordan

You?

Inshallah

ونعم بك. انا عماني. اقراء اللي كتبته بعد السوال

ابوي عماني. انا نص عماني

I respect your opinion whatever it is, but they’re just people. Syrians weren’t the first refugees in the world. Most refugees return to their countries after 25 years

@Firefly Like in North Korea. The people are too scared of the government at this point

@Sn0w ❄ How do you know?

@su ايه وانا م عندي مشكله معهم زي ما قلت. لكن ليه اوروبا؟ ليه مش الخليج؟

Because Europe is willing to take them?

Germany literally asked them to

Even if not willing. EU population is responsible for chaos in the region.

It must pay.

@Firefly You don't think that the citizens in North Korea are afraid of their government?

@Sn0w ❄ I don't.

@su هذا غلطه كبيره على العرب. مفروض العرب اللي يحموهم عشان احنا كلنا اخوان. لكن زي م قال الغالي فايرفلاي، اوروبا اللي سبب المشكله فخلي اوروبا اللي ياخذهم

العرب الي بتحكي عليهم بتحميهن أمريكا

I don’t think it matters who does the help, as long as it is done

Not everyone was made for war

That is right. If you don't want the war you have all rights to leave it.

All the Syrian young men you see didn’t start the war, they’re 20/17yo they were 10 when it started

But when war comes, you have to fight it. Or else who is going to fight it? No one in WWII wanted to fight it but they had to
لكن الحين، انا اقول اللي سبب المشكله، عليه يصلحه. اذا الامريكيين السبب، على الامريكيين يصلحوه

They won’t be able to

They can’t fix Iraq, Iraq’s have to eventually

Same with Libya

@Sn0w ❄ If you personally don't want to fight it you can leave. There is no obligation to participate even in defensive war.

Yeah, all the West's faults

A ship can’t sink if the water doesn’t get in (or something you get the point)

@Firefly In Islam, there is obligation to fight defensively. And those are Muslim countries

افهم، بس وش الماء؟ امريكا؟

@Sn0w ❄ That is an argument of belief .

Yes but traitors help them get the water in

Traitors from within

They have a right to not believe it.

Or flaws

@su I feel for the innocent people of Syria and Iraq just as much as you. My best friend is Iraqi and I had a lot of Syrian friends in Oman who would talk to me about it. It isn't fair but life isn't fair. So I know why you're defensive about this, especially that you're from urdun, right next to it all

I am as defensive about sub Saharan Africans or any refugees really, if people leave their homes then something must be really bad

وهذا القول بتاعك عن السفينه والماء... هذا اشلون تصلحه؟ القذافي، صدام، هذولا كانوا الحل. لكن الامريكان يعرفوا هذا الشي

@Firefly Yes. The belief aspect of it complicates it. But who is supposed to fight that war? The West will come in and make it worse like they did in Iraq

Why did people protest against Qaddafi? Why did he give them so many reasons to hate him?

I respect presidents who care more about their own country than foreign relations

It isn’t all black and white

قدافي كان كفو، زي صدام. الامريكان هم اللي طلعوا اشعات عنهم

صح لسانك

@Sn0w ❄ Nobody.

مش ابيض واسود

@Firefly They can't just give that land to ISIS and the other militant groups..

Most things that were said about Qaddafi are true, there are evidences to it

@Sn0w ❄ Why not?

Even the Libyans who support him, admit it

“He made mistakes but he was better than what we have now”

https://youtu.be/u21xMYUntdU

I have personally never met a Libyan who didn't support him and I have never met a Iraqi who didn't support 9addam

@Firefly What if they expand and take another country? Eventually they'll rape and pillage every country

What is this argument Firefly haha

@Sn0w ❄ That is right. But the fight must be willing. There must be a will to fight.

@su They were not perfect leaders, but they were far better than the Western imperialism we're dealing with today. And they would have been good solutions to it

I read a book by a former Libyan politician

He talked a lot about Qaddafi obviously

And there was indirect hatred towards Qaddafi

Like he wasn’t good enough for even his friends, so when the time came they all ditched him

@Firefly Nowadays no one has the will to fight. In WWII, what if the people ran from Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moskva? What would have happened?

He wasn’t a perfect leader and that is why he fell as hard as he did

@su Was the book in Arabic?

Yes

@Sn0w ❄ Most people willed to fight in the Great Patriotic War of USSR

It's hard for me to believe that it wasn't thoroughly inspected by the West before being published. I have heard great stories about 9addam. But these are all opinions
As you said, nothing is black and white

This man has no reason to do that imo

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13509879

@Firefly So you're saying let ISIS pillage and pillage and pillage until the people are willing to fight back?

I say let people will to fight long before this is happening.

You posted a photo of Saddam last night

Someone was pointing a gun to a mans head

What’s the story?

الحبل ظل رمادي وخيوط الحبل ظلال رماديه

Let me check

اها المسدس مش على راسه. الرجال اللي واقف وراه ماسك مسدس

لا قصه وراه. هذاك رجال فقير في بغداد. انا بس حبيت الصوره عشان يبين اخلاق صدام مع الناس العاديين

اَي اخلاق؟ the man was on his knees

Eh, he was just sitting. He wasn't begging

Post it

It's interesting to see your perspective

I admit it’s not as bad as I remember but it still makes me uncomfortable

You seem to take a very protective stance of the innocent and unarmed

انت ولد او بنت؟

My names suha

Are you learning Russian?

اريد اقول بنت لكن اول مره اسمع هالاسم

It is

يعني... انا اتكلم روسي بس روسيتي ضعيفه

والماني بعد

ان شاء الله لغه خامسه وخلاص، ننهي السالفه

ليه تسال، وشلون عرفتي

Isn’t your name written in Russian?

Are you learning both German and Russian?

I’m trying to learn German

ايه، لكن اتكلم روسي عادي بس مش قويه. اما الماني الحين اخذ كلاسات حقه في الجامعه

والله حلو، كفو. انقليزي، عربي، الماني، امورك طيبه

بس ليه الماني؟

I read Faust and it made want to learn German

Why did you learn it?

اها متحفزه يعني

Idk, I want to be an all-rounded person

اذا بس عرفت عربي وانقليزي، كنت هشوف العالم بس في عيون العرب وعيون الانقليز

How long have you been learning German?

@Sn0w ❄

@su ست اشهر

I think it's something you can learn on your own if you have the right material. But it's best if you know someone who speaks German and can help you/correct you

Wow

What is “the right material”

@su Hmm.. wallahi my college provides me with a lot of resources to study. But I could suggest you the book we're using, if you want
You could also find free German courses online which could be very helpful

That would be perfect

I’ll try both

Great, you’re the first Omani I talked to now I’ll forever think of mlp whenever I hear of Oman

هههههه ونعم وست انعام واحترامي لك

I'm only half Omani though

What’s the other half?

Well my mom's mom is German and her dad is Russian and she grew up in America

The book is called Treffpunkt Deutsch

Thank you!

Why it's so damn hard to copy those asian writing systems to translate it

Чёртов aren't you a Chechen tho?

@National Trotskyist Cause it's written from right to left. Another reason it probably doesn't make sense is because arabic is a dialectual language and translators can only translate formal/official arabic

And nuhh, my ethnicity is as stated earlier ^

But I love Chechniya and Kadyrov <:hrt:312036949453963264> and Ingushetia

Oh I remember reading you were a half-Arab who lived in Chechnya.

Thought that's your heritage too

So surprised you didn't listed Chechen amongst known languages

@National Trotskyist Hahaha no my Polish freund. My grandfather is from Volgograd not Chechniya. It'd be nice to speak Chechen but the language is too small for me to learn at this point.
I'd love to live there though, even if it's just for a couple years

@su تره هذا الشات م عنده مود غير فايرفلاي
ويفينق فلاقس صابتي، انا كلمتها عن ش صار مع الصور. لكن في رايتي، هذا السرفر ارحم من بقية السرفرات حق سياسه

I always thought Saddam was short

I just realized he's the same height as me haha

He's 6'1 and his son 3dey is 6'6

Fuck

Oof

fuvk idid

isis

https://youtu.be/_Fwf45pIAtM?t=24

For God, Syria and Bashar! Praise Bashar!

I love that

@Firefly Muruna? You mean when the religion is flexible? I kind of agree with it but not because of Sharia Law/the sunnah

Yes, I thought you would like flexibility.

Sandniggers

yo sand niggers whatzupp?

Yo

https://strawpoll.com/8he9rbps

the middle east and the asians are whats wrong with this world

What are you, gay?

The middle east is part of asia, get better at geography my dude

sorry i mean middle easters like the people

Yeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh ok

Middle East is Asia only in geography

"Middle East" (as opposed to Far East, yet I don't see people using it anymore, I wonder why?) is what Asia originally meant, cause you know - The term originated from the Roman designation for Anatolia province.

yes, but asia now is the far east

as far as english is concerned

the middle east is a different civilization from the far east

Not English, just the US dialect.
"Asian" in British mostly refers to the South Asia.

Allah akbar

muslim like masturbate in public

praise allah

allah is great

يا هلا بالعرصات

@Domadru يهلا والله بك ياشيخ

القضيب

ازيكم؟

Allahu Akbar!

Allahu Akbar!

Allahu Akbar!

Allahu Akbar!

Allahu Akbar!

دحشو بطيزك يا جحبه

allahu akbar.

allahu akbar b tizak ya 3ars

w

allah akbar

@羅大哥toni @TheoryOfEurope#7975 @Deleted User https://youtu.be/4vxeC1-Przk?t=48

Allah rules in heaven
Hitler rules on earth

🍻

Allah rules in heaven

and

and

he also rules on earth

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/319793188162240522.png

Who rules in Hell tho.

👀

@National Trotskyist According to Christians, Lucifer dishes out the torturing doesn't he? But according to Islam, Lucifer will be tortured, and angels will be doing the torturing to anyone in Hell

@Sn0w ❄ According to Christians, Hell is a place of eternal rivalisation, in that way no one really rules it, albeit some like Satan or Lucifer have been claimed as leaders. I've heard versions saying there are like 3 leaders.
Protestants, some for example don't believe Satan rules Hell, but he actually dwells on Earth and is tormented in Hell.
I don't think Lucifer or any of the devils exists in Islam, as no angel can fall in it.

The Jewish Sitra Akha is pretty close to the Christian conception of Hell, it is manifestation of the evil sephiroths, qlippoth.
There are 3 categories of evil beings in Judaism, The demons/shedim, close to Islamic djinni, the spawn of Lilith and the fallen angels/devils of Samael.

Meant Judaism, fug

Well Sitra Akha is the place for Samael buddies at least

And yeah it's claimed in Christianity that they torture the souls there.

Orthodoxes even got a different from Catholic version of Purgatory, the aerial toll houses/mytarstva, where they're tempted by them before deciding their fate of going to Heaven.

Lucifer does exists in Islam and so do the devils. But yeah you're right about the non-existence of fallen angels
In Islam, he's a demon. Demons (Jinn), like humans, have free will, whereas angels don't. That's why Muslims claim he wasn't an angel, as angels are basically God's practically-mindless pawns (still ultimately good though) who do his bidding. One of the biggest sins in Islam is to contact a demon (be it through magic or whatever) as well as it being a huge sin on a demon to possess a human
A devil is basically an evil demon.
I know that in Christianity, all demons are all evil, there isn't the idea of a "good" demon @National Trotskyist

From what I've heard, Lucifer is not Satan, and that assigning that name to Satan is something that arose from misinterpretation and mistranslation of old Hebrew and Christian texts

A misinterpretation that has become ingrained in mainstream theology

According to which beliefs? @Chalin

Well as far as I'm aware, the name Lucifer is used by Christians

It was the Latin word for morning star

Used in some passage in the book of Isaiah

The arabic name for Lucifer is iblees. The Arabic name for Satan is Sheytan. In Islam, they're the same being. I don't know if they are or aren't according to Christian/Judaic beliefs, but I always assumed they were

Lucifer original appeared within theological scripture as "morning star" in Isaiah 14:12

The word Lucifer comes from the Latin word for that phrase, apparently

The name Lucifer didn't really begin to become used interchangeably with Satan in Christianity until the King James Bible came into being

Or the publication of Dantes Inferno

I can't figure out which

I'm not well versed in the subject

I just now that the name "Lucifer" itself seems to be something widely misused to the point that the fact that it's misused has become meaningless

Yeah, the only mention of the name "Lucifer" in the Christian Bible was actually in reference to Nebuchadnezzar II, oddly enough

The Babylonian king who conquered the holy land