@Firefly In Islam, there is obligation to fight defensively. And those are Muslim countries

افهم، بس وش الماء؟ امريكا؟

@Sn0w ❄ That is an argument of belief .

Yes but traitors help them get the water in

Traitors from within

They have a right to not believe it.

Or flaws

@su I feel for the innocent people of Syria and Iraq just as much as you. My best friend is Iraqi and I had a lot of Syrian friends in Oman who would talk to me about it. It isn't fair but life isn't fair. So I know why you're defensive about this, especially that you're from urdun, right next to it all

I am as defensive about sub Saharan Africans or any refugees really, if people leave their homes then something must be really bad

وهذا القول بتاعك عن السفينه والماء... هذا اشلون تصلحه؟ القذافي، صدام، هذولا كانوا الحل. لكن الامريكان يعرفوا هذا الشي

@Firefly Yes. The belief aspect of it complicates it. But who is supposed to fight that war? The West will come in and make it worse like they did in Iraq

Why did people protest against Qaddafi? Why did he give them so many reasons to hate him?

I respect presidents who care more about their own country than foreign relations

It isn’t all black and white

قدافي كان كفو، زي صدام. الامريكان هم اللي طلعوا اشعات عنهم

صح لسانك

@Sn0w ❄ Nobody.

مش ابيض واسود

@Firefly They can't just give that land to ISIS and the other militant groups..

Most things that were said about Qaddafi are true, there are evidences to it

@Sn0w ❄ Why not?

Even the Libyans who support him, admit it

“He made mistakes but he was better than what we have now”

https://youtu.be/u21xMYUntdU

I have personally never met a Libyan who didn't support him and I have never met a Iraqi who didn't support 9addam

@Firefly What if they expand and take another country? Eventually they'll rape and pillage every country

What is this argument Firefly haha

@Sn0w ❄ That is right. But the fight must be willing. There must be a will to fight.

@su They were not perfect leaders, but they were far better than the Western imperialism we're dealing with today. And they would have been good solutions to it

I read a book by a former Libyan politician

He talked a lot about Qaddafi obviously

And there was indirect hatred towards Qaddafi

Like he wasn’t good enough for even his friends, so when the time came they all ditched him

@Firefly Nowadays no one has the will to fight. In WWII, what if the people ran from Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moskva? What would have happened?

He wasn’t a perfect leader and that is why he fell as hard as he did

@su Was the book in Arabic?

Yes

@Sn0w ❄ Most people willed to fight in the Great Patriotic War of USSR

It's hard for me to believe that it wasn't thoroughly inspected by the West before being published. I have heard great stories about 9addam. But these are all opinions
As you said, nothing is black and white

This man has no reason to do that imo

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13509879